OT - Scientific proof that there is no afterlife!

Jack Simth · #1 August 17th, 2003, 11:26 PM

There's no problem with the heaven/hell model as long as Armaggeddon comes before all the mass runs out.

If you divide the mass of the universe by the mass of a soul, then figure out how fast souls are leaving the universe, you will get an estimate on the latest armaggeddon can be.

That leaves three questions:
1) What is the mass of a soul?
2) What is the mass of the universe?
3) What is the rate of soul loss to both heaven and hell (the death rate of souled beings)?

[ August 17, 2003, 22:47: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

tesco samoa · #2 August 17th, 2003, 11:48 PM

ed. wait 100 years science changes.

always does

Slick · #3 August 17th, 2003, 11:51 PM

Your assumption: a soul has mass.

Dubious at best, and no evidence to support it. Of course, that is fine for satire.

Slick.

[ August 17, 2003, 23:06: Message edited by: Slick ]

General Woundwort · #4 August 18th, 2003, 12:11 AM

Another false assumption - that extradimensional realities (heaven, hell) have the exact same "natural laws" that 4-dimensional space does. If the physical universe was created by God, it would seem logical that He existed prior to it and is transcendent above it - therefore He is not bound by its laws.

EDIT - Ed's spoof reminds me of the "proof" of God's non-existence in the Hitchhiker's series.

[ August 17, 2003, 23:12: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

Fyron · #5 August 18th, 2003, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by Slick:
Your assumption: a soul has mass.

Dubious at best, and no evidence to support it. Of course, that is fine for satire.

Slick.

Your assumption: there is a soul.

Everything that exists is matter or energy (or something like anti-matter, which is equivalent for purposes of this post). But, matter is energy, and energy is matter. All waves of energy have particle-like properties, such as a mass equivalent property, though it is normally infintesimal. All particles of matter have wave-like properties, though those are normally infintesimal (except for very, very fast moving particles, such as electrons, which are particles, but act more like waves than particles). Thoughts are energy on a quantum level, which exist because of the properties of the neural cells in the brain (which are mass). So, if the soul exists, it is either energy or matter (or one of those other things (such as anti-matter), which are equivalent. Either way, it would have a mass. This is not saying that the post by Ed means anything, just saying that the theoretical soul has a mass value. Of course, proving that the soul actually exists is a much more complex issue. And keep in mind that any arguments akin to "the [holy scripture/person of choice] says we have a soul, so we have a soul" are laughable at best. Any reasoning being can do better than that, and all humans are reasoning beings.

General Woundwort · #6 August 18th, 2003, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Everything that exists is matter or energy (or something like anti-matter, which is equivalent for purposes of this post).

In this dimension. What about others?

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So, if the soul exists, it is either energy or matter (or one of those other things (such as anti-matter), which are equivalent. Either way, it would have a mass. This is not saying that the post by Ed means anything, just saying that the theoretical soul has a mass value.

Again, based on an unfounded extrapolation of physical reality onto non/extraphysical dimensions.

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Of course, proving that the soul actually exists is a much more complex issue. And keep in mind that any arguments akin to "the [holy scripture/person of choice] says we have a soul, so we have a soul" are laughable at best. Any reasoning being can do better than that, and all humans are reasoning beings.

All humans are reasoning? Would that that were true...

Seriously, the arguments for supernatural reality are much better than that - they just haven't been articulated well for the Last 200 years or so. Don't tell me that Dawkins is a greater mind than Augustine or Pascal, Fyron...

Fyron · #7 August 18th, 2003, 12:49 AM

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In this dimension. What about others?

Again, based on an unfounded extrapolation of physical reality onto non/extraphysical dimensions.

What others? Please bring me some pictures from these other dimensions of yours.

There is no proof of the existence of other dimensions, only a plethora of hypothesis (no theories, as there is no proof or concrete evidence of them).

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Seriously, the arguments for supernatural reality are much better than that - they just haven't been articulated well for the Last 200 years or so. Don't tell me that Dawkins is a greater mind than Augustine or Pascal, Fyron...

Yes, and the arguments against are just as well articulated. Good articulation does not make an argument correct, just well articulated. Reality just happens to support the arguments against supernatural reality a bit better, as there is no concrete evidence of these supernatural realities.

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All humans are reasoning? Would that that were true...

All humans are reasoning beings, meaning they have the capability to utilize rational thought, reason, logic, etc. I never said all humans exercise these abilities, just that they have them.

[ August 17, 2003, 23:51: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]