OT - Scientific proof that there is no afterlife!

Fyron · #1 August 18th, 2003, 04:09 AM

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Originally posted by Tigbit:
It is the checks and ballances that I detailed in the post Fyron found pointless...

I did not find it pointless, I was just unsure of why you posted it...

Tigbit · #2 August 18th, 2003, 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Originally posted by Tigbit:
It is the checks and ballances that I detailed in the post Fyron found pointless...

I did not find it pointless, I was just unsure of why you posted it...

Okay. Now you know why. Whenever I get into a conversation involving science, metaphysics etc, I have to make the distinction I posted.

Slick · #3 August 18th, 2003, 04:24 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Slick:
Umm...

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Slick:
Unless it is a dimensional concept (such as space and time), everything that exists either has mass or has mass-like properties. Even energy essentially has mass. Photons have mass, EM radiation has mass-like properties, etc. Please tell me of a non-dimensional concept that exists and has nothing to do with mass.

I accounted for space and time...

No you didn't. You are only asking for a "non-dimensional" concept because you can't reconcile your statement with facts so are trying to exclude them from the discussion. Space and time DO exist and they don't have mass or energy. I would like to hear what you think they are. Are they made up of mass or energy, or do they not exist, or what??? Please answer the question and be precice.

By the way, photons have mass? I haven't even begun to tear apart your lack of knowledge of physics. If they have mass, how do they travel at the speed of light? The relativistic mass is given by the formula:

m = m0 / [(1-v^2/c^2)^(1/2)]

As v approaches c, m goes to infinity. It is impossible for an infinitely massive object to move at all much less at the speed of light. So what is the exact value of the mass of a photon (pick any wavelength you want)??? Again, please be precice.

Slick.

[ August 18, 2003, 03:25: Message edited by: Slick ]

Tigbit · #4 August 18th, 2003, 04:27 AM

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Originally posted by Slick:

By the way, photons have mass?

Ouch... that's gotta hurt.

Fyron · #5 August 18th, 2003, 04:31 AM

Since you refuse to acknowledge it... dimensions are not physical objects, and so do not have mass. Space and time are dimensions, not objects. I have amended my statements; there is nothing to reconcile.

And yes, photons do indeed have mass. They have both particle and wave properties. Ever heard of a solar sail? They work because photons have some mass (although it is extremeley small), and so they can push it along when they bump into the sail. This works with photo-receptive fans and such too. All energy has particle-like properties. All matter has wave-like properties. This is basic quantum physics.

And please stop insulting me Slick. That is quite counter productive. Please remain civil.

[ August 18, 2003, 03:32: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Fyron · #6 August 18th, 2003, 04:39 AM

Trying to find a good site on quantum thought theory that is not steeped in spiritualistic mumbo-jumbo... current search string

Damned UBB...

This looks promising, though it is long...
http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/nanopoul.pdf

Ooh.. and an old post by Jack Simth that has to do with this (remotely):

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Originally posted by Jack Simth:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
do we actually have freedom of choice (will)?

Why sure we do - even if you postulate that everything there is to a person is based solely on the various chemical and physical properties of that person's constituent elements, there is still the problem of Quantum Mechanics. The exact processes of the brain are poorly understood, but it is known that many of the processes run on an infintesimal scale, at which point the local randomness of QM becomes significant, which eliminates determinism as viable, leaving free will as a tenable approach.

Besides, I have to remind myself to eat. I can very easily get caught up in something and forget....

Edit: I kan't spell....

Note: this is not to start up an old debate, merely to point out that I am not the only person with an idea about quantum mechinacs and the brain...

[ August 18, 2003, 03:59: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Jack Simth · #7 August 18th, 2003, 05:04 AM

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Originally posted by Slick:
By the way, photons have mass? I haven't even begun to tear apart your lack of knowledge of physics. If they have mass, how do they travel at the speed of light? The relativistic mass is given by the formula:

m = m0 / [(1-v^2/c^2)^(1/2)]

As v approaches c, m goes to infinity. It is impossible for an infinitely massive object to move at all much less at the speed of light. So what is the exact value of the mass of a photon (pick any wavelength you want)??? Again, please be precice.

Slick.

First off, m0 is the rest mass; photons have 0 rest mass (they don't exist at rest). The equation then becomes. However, energy has mass, and photons have energy. If you do he energy mass conVersion, the result is a constant * the frequency of the photon. I don't remember exactly, but it was something like m = y * h/(2*pi) where m is the mass, y is the frequency and h is plank's constant. I could have the formula off a bit, but that's what is in my memory from my Last physics class.