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[Fyron]

Well, at least you finally realize that the Talisman is not balanced.

[geoschmo]

Slynky, don't spend an hour doing this turn. I surender.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Well, at least you finally realize that the Talisman is not balanced.

I have never denied it's powerful. And in a multiplayer game it is still possible to team up on a single religious player. But it's just too strong for one on one play. It does too good a job of compensating for deficencies in other areas. The Talisman player can play a so so game and unless the other player is playing their "A" game they will still win, and sometimes even then. I guess I have just never had an experience like this where I faced a player had such high skills in other areas as well as having the Talisman.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Well, at least you finally realize that the Talisman is not balanced.

I have never denied it's powerful. And in a multiplayer game it is still possible to team up on a single religious player. But it's just too strong for one on one play. It does too good a job of compensating for deficencies in other areas. The Talisman player can play a so so game and unless the other player is playing their "A" game they will still win, and sometimes even then. I guess I have just never had an experience like this where I faced a player had such high skills in other areas as well as having the Talisman.

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Long message coming...(OK, so everyone else will be bored to death, but what the heck )

PS: While I'm typing, my PW is 3939. Take a look at a turn back.

[ October 04, 2003, 22:44: Message edited by: Slynky ]

[Slynky]

I think you played a heck of a game! I was on pins and needles the Last 15-18 turns. In fact, not sure you should have surrendered. I glanced at your position and know one reason why...your new BCs.

But, your fleet of 47 ships would still be hold two of my fleets at bay. I considered sending the one in from the west where I had about 20-25 ships left (sent 10 away). BUT, that fleet held THAT one and the one at the warphole on the north at bay. I couldn't leave either hole and wasn't sure either fleet of mine could stand up to yours in a "fair" fight (me not getting first shot at a warphole you flew through). So, they had to wait.

Take a look at my rioting! 1 third to 1 half my planets. My mineral production wouldn't support my fleet but for 2 more turns (then scrapping begins). Also, take a look at my ships (invading fleets) and you'll see they don't generate enough supplies to continue much further. I figured letting them run out of gas (and causing planet death and hopefully rioting on the way) was a desperate attempt at winning. The only hope I had was to get satellites up BUT, if you discovered my ring of mining ships with one of your invaders, you could have killed what production I DID have. You were one system south of it.

As to starts, I was on the back row! And the immediate systems around me sucked. To make it worse, my home system with 2 homeworlds was the one on the back row. I was surprised you hadn't taken more of the map as far as I had to go to get to the middle. (you'll notice I burned the hole to that system to keep your ships out).

I did manage to retrofit some BCs with optics 2 and panels to go hunting (especially in those systems where I couldn't build a sat). But, the rioting was killing me.

I think you played a heck of a game and took advantage of the lack of mines.

As to the Talisman, I feel kind of "cheap" taking it but I know you to be dangerous and I was risking points. One thing I DO know is that I'll never take Religion in a KOTH game! Amazing that I was able to get to the Talisman. Had we been closer together...a different story. And you were up on the other tech I had to rush to get. Having to lower my agression ALMOST made it like you had the talisman as well.

As to a re-match, I enjoyed the thrill of that one so much, I'd be willing to do it again. No Talisman and no Stellar. So, toss out some game setting suggestions...

[geoschmo]

Cool. I did better then I thought. Had a bunch of you planets rioting. Your econ really was teetering on the brink of a total collapse. A few more turns and I might have pulled it off.

This game really was a close one. It could have gone the other way if a couple of things had happened. If you had been a little slower getting the stellar manipulation ships in play. I had a good plan I think. I was going to send some small cloaked fleets into your space. Instead of just a handful of single ships and deeper behind your front lines. And I would have sprung the trap when my ships were in position to do maximum damage instead of just reacting to your opening warp points. You would have been forced to either pull your fleets back to get my raiders or go for broke yourself and make a run through my full strength defenses. Either way I think would have made things very nice for me.

It was fun as long as it Lasted anyway. I am up for a rematch if you are.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

I ran a test and my fleet got pasted tryign to run either of those warp points. SO my only chance would have been to fall back and try to catch your fleets in my space. Even then I would have had to catch them at a warp point to beat them. The timing would have been too hard to accomplish. I suppose the best I could have hoped for would be a stalemate of sorts dragging out the war for another 50 turns or so while you got your econ back on line. But I don't think I could have pulled it off.

I hadn't counted on your ships running out of fuel. I saw you had the tech so I figured you had some solar panels in your fleets. If I had known that I might have held on a biut longer, but it wouldn't have mettered in the end.

My latest BC design was a sheer desparation move. About ten turns ago when you finally caught me in score I started pumping them out jsut to get back on top. I wanted you to think I was too big for you to try attacking.