Are homeplanets affected by high/catastrophic events?

[Alneyan]

Originally posted by Grand Lord Vito:
So when playing Space Empires IV default of -5 conditions event to a planet that would bring it to deadly, that planet would never be able to raised. Rendering that planet useless for the entire game.

It depends on the condition of your planet, the best they are, the easier it will be to recover from this event. And if the planet conditions were below 0.5, then I am not sure if you could improve the conditions at all, but even a condition of 0.0/0.1 means 39 years before an improvement so.

Thanks for doubting my words GLV, you make me realize my mistake. (I should have run other tests and used my calculator before though. ) Do these results seem likely to you?

The values for the conditions and their meanings:
0.0-0.2: Deadly
0.3-0.4: Harsh
0.5-0.9: Unpleasant
1.0-1.2: Mild
1.3-1.4: Good
1.5: Optimal

And the calculation is linked to a percentage (that is to say, current value X 1.03 for the best facility in the unmodded game), while in the case of 0.0, it seems like 0.1 is used as 0 X anything isn't going to lead far. I will need Oleg savegame or results before testing what happens when the value drops (or is supposed to drop) under 0 though. But recovery will be very long then.

[Grand Lord Vito]

Originally posted by Alneyan:
No, contrary to what Rello thought (and his idea seemed to be reasonnable), it does not multiply as I was able to go to 0.0 to Harsh condition in 39 years (or perhaps slightly less). The evolution is *very* slow though from Deadly to Harsh, much slower than from Mild to the best for instance, but don't ask me why.

So you have to wait for another 20 years Oleg before having the pleasure to see the transformations of your planet, or you could build ten CI plants. (My tests have been done with a level 3 CI, so you could speed up the process a bit)

AIC has a level 5 CI, this should speed up the process even much faster to an Optimal Planet as opossed to only 3 CI.

Alneyan what would +15 do to a Planets harsh condition?

[ September 17, 2003, 17:31: Message edited by: Grand Lord Vito ]

[oleg]

Originally posted by Alneyan:
... I will need Oleg savegame or results before testing what happens when the value drops (or is supposed to drop) under 0 though. But recovery will be very long then.

Sorry, I deleted that game - it was two weeks ago at least. But I'll keep next one if something like this occur again

[Alneyan]

Originally posted by Grand Lord Vito:

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Originally posted by Alneyan:
No, contrary to what Rello thought (and his idea seemed to be reasonnable), it does not multiply as I was able to go to 0.0 to Harsh condition in 39 years (or perhaps slightly less). The evolution is *very* slow though from Deadly to Harsh, much slower than from Mild to the best for instance, but don't ask me why.

So you have to wait for another 20 years Oleg before having the pleasure to see the transformations of your planet, or you could build ten CI plants. (My tests have been done with a level 3 CI, so you could speed up the process a bit)

AIC has a level 5 CI, this should speed up the process even much faster to an Optimal Planet as opossed to only 3 CI.

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Yes, +5% should speed the things a bit, although not much I fear. But you could build ten level 5 CI, then the conditions should improve much faster. (If they can improve at all, I still need to check the Deadly planets which had suffered from such events)

Oleg, I would thank you then. But I had an idea, I will try with a very low percentage for the event (1% probably), and I will build a Fate Shrine as soon as the event occurred. Hopefully, I should be fine for many years. (If nothing happens for 50 years while I have built ten level 5 CI, then we will know you cannot do anything. )

GLV, a +15 event *should* mean that any planet is now Optimal, if they are working like their counterpart. (Except perhaps the Deadly planets which has suffered from a -20 event that is.))

[ September 17, 2003, 17:36: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

[Grand Lord Vito]

Oleg, I will email you the Events beta 4.03 file if you want.

Or just use v3.02

[oleg]

Do system-wide and planet-only condition improving abilities stack ? (I believe so)

Do several planet conditions improving buildings stack ? Probably not, but since Value improving do, why not conditions ?

[oleg]

Originally posted by Grand Lord Vito:
Oleg, I will email you the Events beta 4.03 file if you want.

Or just use v3.02

Thanks, I would like to try 4.03 !

[Alneyan]

Originally posted by oleg:
Do system-wide and planet-only condition improving abilities stack ? (I believe so)

Do several planet conditions improving buildings stack ? Probably not, but since Value improving do, why not conditions ?

I would believe system and planet effects stack, it is the case for other abilities, so why not for condition improvement?

As for your second question, here is yet another test.
Three level 5 CI on a Deadly planet, conditions 0.1 => The conditions are Harsh after 8 years, according to the calculations. (It takes around 25 years or so with a single level 5 CI, and 39 years with a level 3 CI) And it was only three CI, you could add a couple more to speed the process. (Seven years is all you need to transform a Deadly planet into a paradise with 10 level 5 CI. If you can afford it. )

[oleg]

Thanks for tests !
Next time I get deadly event on HW, I'll not give up but build 3 plants and hope for better. Might even make an interesting scenario.

[PsychoTechFreak]

Originally posted by oleg:
I was very sceptical too, but then my HW went from Good to Deadly in one month

However, there might be a trend for HW be protected, but it is not 100%. Only MM can tell us.

I have seen exactly this also in my first test run with AIC. But you have to take a careful look at the severity of the regarding event. Since I had a savegame of every turn, I found out this one has been the result of a medium event. I could send that turn if you like.