Balancing Fighters, Missiles and PDC in the late game

[Grand Lord Vito]

Originally posted by PvK:
[QB] Depends on your tech level, and how much time you spend sitting around building up fighters. I think Fryon's experience in Proportions tends to be that he does a land grab and then gets bored, building up silly quantities of fighters once he reaches his maintenance limits for ships.

However I will grant that:

* Proportions makes fighters quite powerful
* Proportions fighters are powerful early in the tech tree, compared to other techs
* SE4 zero-maintenance units means that stockpiling fighters can lead to some very large and therefore powerful (particularly on defense) fighter stacks.

What does zero-maintenance units have to do with the Fighters being out of proprortion?

Later-tech Proportions stuff, and mid-tech bases and planets, can deal with fighters pretty well, though. And, fighters aren't as powerful as they are in say, real-world naval combat from World War 2 onwards.

Not true.

1) Reduce the damage done by the light fighter weapons by about half, down to 1 or 2 points per weapon, and or increase their size, so they don't do much damage at all. (or, remove their ability to target anything but fighters)

2) Make fighter weapons which heavy weapons for hitting ships, unable to target fighters.

3) Remove fighter shields, or make them only about as good as fighter armor, or a little better.

4) Consider removing or reducing the structure value of fighter until they have about half the damage resistance they currently do (without shields).

5) Consider making fighter components cost more.

6) Consider making fighters start out with somewhat lower offense and defensive bonuses, but add more fighter ECM and combat sensors at higher research levels, so early fighters aren't so hard to kill, and later fighters make stockpiles of earlier fighters relatively obsolete.

Most of this sounds like the way fighters are now with the AIC Fighter Mod by JLS and OLEG

[ November 05, 2003, 11:07: Message edited by: Grand Lord Vito ]

[Grand Lord Vito]

Originally posted by PvK:
Fire Control Centers can be obtained by the time any large fighter Groups can be brought against another empire.

If the fire control really works the way it is discribed.
Even then it does not help much with fighters, you said earlier that the Proportions PDC has enough to hit, why even mention this?

[oleg]

Originally posted by Grand Lord Vito:

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Originally posted by PvK:
Fire Control Centers can be obtained by the time any large fighter Groups can be brought against another empire.

If the fire control really works the way it is discribed.
Even then it does not help much with fighters, you said earlier that the Proportions PDC has enough to hit, why even mention this?

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Fire control centers DO help against fighters ! extra 40% to hit gives PDC very good chance to hit. Even more, FCS plus to-hit bonuses from WP mounts makes normal weapons quite effective.

[Grand Lord Vito]

Oleg how do we really know that ONE Fire Control really works for ALL Weapons Platforms on the planet not just the one its on after that you cant fit much else?

It looks just like a big Combat Sensor or do all Combat Sensors on the planet add up or does it just take the largest Combat sensor value like a ship.

IMHO I do not see much differnce to the other WP

[ November 05, 2003, 11:13: Message edited by: Grand Lord Vito ]

[oleg]

Originally posted by Grand Lord Vito:

Oleg how do we really know that ONE Fire Control really works for ALL Weapons Platforms on the planet not just the one its on after that you cant fit much else?

It looks just like a big Combat Sensor or do all Combat Sensors on the planet add up or does it just take the largest Combat sensor value like a ship.

IMHO I do not see much differnce to the other WP

I am 100% sure FCC works for all weapon platforms on the planet - I usually build just one Comand Center WP with fire control, latest sensors, WP comand centers (from military science - expensive but with to-hit bonus), no weapons and a LOT of armor and shields to be sure it will Last whole battle. Other platforms have computer center, some armor and weapons.
This Comand Center WP indeed directs the fire of all WP on the planet.

(multiple sensors from different platforms do not add up, planet is treated as a single "ship")

[Grand Lord Vito]

Oleg if so how does it work in se4 terms?


"It looks just like a big Combat Sensor or do all Combat Sensors on the planet add up or does the whole PLANET just take the largest Combat sensor value like a ship."

[ November 05, 2003, 11:44: Message edited by: Grand Lord Vito ]

[Fyron]

It is a well documented fact that all untis in a stack recieve the same combat sensor and ECM bonuses from components on just a single unit. It will be the best of the bonuses in the stack. This applies to WPs, satellites, and fighters. Probably drones and mines as well, but those either don't stack or don't appear on combat maps.