Real World Philospohy

narf poit chez BOOM · #1 November 25th, 2003, 05:52 AM

ok, well, i'm not always happy. but i can have joy, even during the bad times. why? because i know that everything is right with the universe at large. things will either get better or get cleaned up. right always wins in the end, and any reason for sadness will pass. that's something you don't seem to understand, even from your own philosophy. if you view happiness as a brief period between periods of sadness, then couldn't sadness be veiwed as brief periods between happiness?

oh, and i didn't think you where trying to put anybody down.

and that whole 'you'll eventually figure it out on your own?' invalid in a debat.

[ November 25, 2003, 03:54: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Phoenix-D · #2 November 25th, 2003, 05:53 AM

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Originally posted by Atrocities:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... that is not proof in any shape of the word... circular logic at best...

A free mind should have no problem with this concept. Circular logic is still logic, and my point is still valid. Proof you asked for and proof you gave yourself. I don't need to say a thing. You'll eventually figure it out on your own.

Circular logic is logic but not valid logic. Proof must stand on its own, or it is no longer proof.

Atrocities · #3 November 25th, 2003, 06:05 AM

Proof is only valid if those who requested it accept it as such. Otherwise no proof is valid.

Ask an insane person, somone that is truly insane, if they are insane, and they will tell you; "No I am fine." They have no concept of insanity. To them they are normal.

A mind that truly belives it is free can not grasp the concept that it is not free. It will ask for proof, even though the proof that it is seeking has already been provided by asking the question itself.

"Am I insane"? If you can ask the question then your open to the possiblity that the answer might be yes, or even no. An insane person will never ask if s/he is insane, because to them there is no question, the very concept of insanity is unthinkable.

Ask yourself if your mind is truly free. By asking such a question, you acknowledge that your mind is open and therefore knows that the possablity that it is not actually free my in fact be the answer. A mind free of unhappiness and incapbled of experiencing any other emotion would not want to accept any emotion other than happiness. A mind that knows that it is not free from saddness understands that happiness is a tempory emotion that is a pleasent part of life. It knows that life has its ups and downs and that it will experience from time to time complete joy and utter despair. Our minds are only truly free when we realize that such freedom does not come free from cost.

[ November 25, 2003, 04:24: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

narf poit chez BOOM · #4 November 25th, 2003, 06:14 AM

oh, 'free from sadness, or other emotions'. no, that isn't the type of freedom i talk of. the type of freedom i talk of is the freedom to choose what i value, what i try to feel, to do and be. and most importantly, who i worship. i suspect that even God feels sadness, but i also beleive that, if so, that sadness is drowned out in the joy of his children. because no amount of sadness can match one instant of happiness. how could it? sadness is a negative emotion. -3,000,000 is less than 1.

i do beleive, however, that i can acheive freedom from evil emotions. i have a theory that each emotion has a good Version and a bad Version and that, with enough practice, a person can only feel one.

[ November 25, 2003, 04:16: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Atrocities · #5 November 25th, 2003, 06:20 AM

Narf, you are truly an inspiring person to know.

I like the way you think.

Taera · #6 November 25th, 2003, 06:37 AM

optimism is a great quality, as i have come to know. However, the very definitions of sadness and happinness are human in nature, and thus subject to every single person in their meaning.
Atrocities, your logic in that question lacks one major point - sadness is not lack of happinness.
Sadness and happinness result from unusual circumstances, even if those unusual circumstances mean no unusual circumstances. Everything inbetween is a grey area, a feeling of contempt i guess.

I hope im not repeating anyone's opinions, but thats mine.

EDIT: however, its nature's way to balance everything. if a person is always happy, or always sad, its time to question his/her sanity - sometimes, at least, i think.

[ November 25, 2003, 04:39: Message edited by: Taera ]

Atrocities · #7 November 25th, 2003, 06:40 AM

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Atrocities, your logic in that question lacks one major point - sadness is not lack of happinness.
Sadness and happinness result from unusual circumstances, even if those unusual circumstances mean no unusual circumstances. Everything inbetween is a grey area, a feeling of contempt i guess.

That was kinda the point I was trying to make, but I guess I just didn't do a good job at it. But well said my friend.