OT: Which is better: XP or 2000? > Another Piracy Discussion

[evader]

I like Xp I use it at home and work. Speaking strictly from a network administrator point of view I like xp. Less having to work around some of the securtity issues in 2000

Also Xp solved the NT bug.

Granted it now has and XP bug now but that is olay only hit that once or twice

[PvK]

Originally posted by JayBdey:
The way it sorts files is fine.

I think they way this board works is screwy, it just seems unnatural to have the newest post at the top. Everyone may not like that feature but that doesn't make wrong. You have to choose one way to do things, and someone will complain that the way you chose isn't their preference.

That's why both this BBS and XP should include an option for which way to sort. There doesn't have to be only one choice.

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[PvK]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
... Either way, you still have no right to their work, unless they give you that right, either through free distribution or a legal license to possess and use it.

The question is what kinds of laws are reasonable to control the distribution. I'd say broadcasting songs everywhere in radio and sound waves is definitely "free distribution".

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Where the heck did the government come into this? It has always been the responsibilty of the vendor to maintain control! The only role the government plays is to provide courst in which the vendor can have a legal means to strike back at those that would wrongfully steal their product (rather than doing something nasty like breaking their legs or some such ).

The government came into it when corps started trying to get laws to support BS like the right of a corporation to own exclusive copyrights to "intellectual property" forever.

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With media such as pop music, the crap is broadcast via radio throughout the planet, including into private houses, and it is played in public places. In neither case is there a contract between the sender and receiver.

Sure there is. There is a contract between the owner of the music and the person that is playing it over the radio.

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In a just legal system, that contract can't be binding on the people who don't sign it or even know about it, but who just get bombarded by the music anyway. It's the so-called owner's responsibility to limit distribution, and they do the opposite, freely distributing it without any contract involved.

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Reception and recording devices are not illegal to own and use (yet?). The original creator has already received their miniscule fraction of a percent. It's silly to say someone can't tape a broadcast and replay it.

It is actually quite illegal to record anything off of the radio. Has been for many decades in the US at least.

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Even if true, that's preposterous.

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Illegal to fast forward past ads? BS!

Again, you have absolutely no right to watch whatever program it is. It is a privelege granted to you by the broadcasting networks.

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Only in a system where public freedom has been sold to corporations. If someone broadcasts a signal into a living room, the resident has every right to receive it and do whatever they want with it. There is no contract or just law that can say otherwise.

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[JayBdey]

I believe you could change the way it sorts, but it would not be simple to do.

Even if it is illegal to record things from the radio, no one cares, and when no one follows a law it becomes meaningless. Like filesharing, yes it's illegal but everyone does it anyway.

[Fyron]

No... everyone does not do it anyways. There are many people that do not do it. Bandwagon arguments are just silly. Everyone smokes, so why don't you? Everyone is jumping off that cliff, so why don't you?

[tesco samoa]

PVK in a few countries copy right holders are being paid for broadcasts of songs per broadcast. I know it is like that in Canada and UK , South Korea and most of Europe. I do not know about the rest of the world. In Canada this cost is covered by commericals and/or taxes. SOCAN is the 'group' that monitors and collects these for canadian Groups. How do I know. I receive a royalty check for 1.98 every month My first one was for .04 cents...

In Canada And in the USA it is legal to record off the radio. As it is legal to record tv. This is for home use. And is called Fair something or other ... Yea... I am tired... So I cannot remember ... google it...

Where did the Illegal to fast forward past ads come from... guess it was edited out or something..

And the privelege is granted to the Media Corperations to broadcast. Not that it is a privelege granted by the broadcast networks. Read the laws on this. They are changing yes. Not for the good. But towards the errosion of Public domain and less control by the government.

Laws should reflect a society not those few who control it.


I always wondered what would happen if we actually lived in a capitalist society. I think I will never see it. But I am starting to think that I will see Marx's dream come true in the West. This scares me very much. As I do not wish to see the colaspe of the west. But in the long run I think the world will be better off. The west is becoming worse than Europe was a few hundred years ago. And I do think it will collaspe. Greed for 2% can only be sustained for so long...

[PvK]

A good side point. USA(sic) musicians can also sign up to get their pile of pennies a month for broadcasts tracked by the organization (I think it does so worldwide), but I didn't want to drag that detail into the "IP violations = theft" discussion, which is already pretty far afield.

I didn't think Fryon could possibly be right about it being illegal to record radio... or TV, or whatever. No doubt the media cartel would love to make it so, though.

There was someone writing about it being supposedly illegal in some of the states in the USA to record TV and then skip the ads by fast-forwarding over them, but I think maybe I was mistaken that it was earlier in this thread.

However, it is just another step along the line Fryon has been towing of copying anything as theft - see the article HERE titled "SKIPPING COMMERCIALS IS STEALING ACCORDING TO TURNER CEO"!

I tend to think we're headed more toward Orwell's 1984.

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