Battlestar Galactica **Spoilers** discussion

[Fyron]

Robots can certainly be human-looking. Read Asimov.

[Starhawk]

Well Atrocities you are partially right that holywood has done the "Man makes machine now machine wants to kill man" part but completely wrong about the cookie cutter part.

Normally holywood has man win, BSG had mankind lose and lose everything to boot. There is nothing left of humanity as far as the Colonials go except for 52,000 people.
Another thing about the new BSG is thay they show quite clearly (unlike many others) WHY The machines want to kill man. Most Sci-Fi leaves it as well they want yo kill us because we made them sort of story. The Cylons want to kill us because what they think we did to them, and in some ways the New BSG shows that Humanity almost (note almost not fully) deserved what they got in the end because not only did they create these creatures and then effectively enslave them they fought a war and forgot all the lessons they learned there and it cost them everything in the end.


And BTW Alien wasn't robots man made it was ALIENS that man wanted to turn into a weapon of war but never got the chance....oy.

Bladerunner were not Robots Cylons are and you could easily understand why the Blade runner clones wanted to kill man I would too if I were them...

Twilight Zone was the First to do it the Original Outer Limits just ripped them off.

The NEW Outer Limits made Everything kill man and they always made it mans fault and always made it that Humanity had some how fugged up and deserved to die....basically your talking about a series that ENDED with the death of all that was left of Humanity even though they were trying to recover and become more noble and good.

The whole point of the New Outer Limits is taht man should die and women should rule the friggin universe because it would be better that way. T he ONLY shows where Humanity lived on in hope was when some woman led the way and smacked all us warmongering men upside our collective evil heads and made us good.

I mean hell in the Last ep it was a guy who blew up the remnants of the world while all miss noble woman tried to rescue the world from death.

The New OUter limits was basically just a feminist POS that I wouldn't even make refference to as good story writing.

[ December 11, 2003, 07:39: Message edited by: Starhawk ]

[Atrocities]

I sense a bit of hostility coming from you Starhawk.

And BTW Alien wasn't robots man made it was ALIENS that man wanted to turn into a weapon of war but never got the chance....oy

To many times people take what is typed as literial. I don't recall the "synthetic" humans name that went off on the crew. The point is he went off on the crew.

And what is this crap that Baltar has a chip in his head. Hummm, where have we seen this before??? *Caugh* Farscape.

And the cookie cutter theory is sound. The premis is the same, man makes machine, and now machine wants to kill man. The fact that they changed the out come is utterly pointless here. The basic structure of the story is man made machines that now have come back to kill them. The out come of the story is like adding stuff to the cookie doe.

And Starhawk I have to disagree with you about them explaining why the cylons hate them. That was very vague here and in the original series. More so here because we are only two episodes into the mini series. What we do know is that man made a "Chrome Toaster" that then turned on them. They had no idea why. In fact they NEVER said why they turned on them. Humanities Children Have Come Home is just not going to cut it for why the Cylons hate man. They will need to do better.

About blade runner, again it is the same cookie cutter, albeit the cookie cutter that has been used more often then any other. Human made "machines" who look human being used as slaves and developing a soul then choose to no longer be slaves and turn on those who have created them. Again you assume that the cookie cutter has changed when it has not. The ingredants, the story, has. So what if they are synethetic, robotic, machines, liquid metal, clones, cyborgs, the point is, the cookie cutter has been used to death. (PEIROD) The ingreadiants have changed in the doe, but the overall cookie still looks like so many others that have come before it.

And frankly the New Outerlimits lost any sense of direction years ago. So I have not been following it. I would rather watch Stargate.

[ December 11, 2003, 11:08: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[geoschmo]

Atrocities, honestly there is nothing available anywhere that is truely original. We've been making movies now for a hundred years, and telling each other stories for thousands or millions of years before that. Anything anyone thinks up now has been thought up before. So saying something is cookie cutter is just argumentative. Every example you suggest was derivative of somethinn that came before it. And the original BSG was derivative of stuff before that. For that matter, if the current BSG were done over closer to the original, you could say even more truthfully that it was cookie cutter.

Since it's impossible to be truely original any more, the only thing you can hope for is for the story to be compelling, interesting, and well written. I think that this was. I hope to see more of it.

Geoschmo

[gregebowman]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Atrocities, honestly there is nothing available anywhere that is truely original. We've been making movies now for a hundred years, and telling each other stories for thousands or millions of years before that. Anything anyone thinks up now has been thought up before. So saying something is cookie cutter is just argumentative. Every example you suggest was derivative of somethinn that came before it. And the original BSG was derivative of stuff before that. For that matter, if the current BSG were done over closer to the original, you could say even more truthfully that it was cookie cutter.

Since it's impossible to be truely original any more, the only thing you can hope for is for the story to be compelling, interesting, and well written. I think that this was. I hope to see more of it.

Geoschmo

Amen to that. I definitely want to see more. As far as stories go, there was a post recently that stated there are only 5 or 10 original stories, and everthing else is just a mixture of those stories. So the "cookie cutter" method has been going on for thousands of years. And Hollywood has definitely been doing that for ages. There are very few original ideas that have come out of the left coast. Mostly now, they produce sequels or remakes. Even Star Wars was a mixture of ideas, myths, and a Japanese film. But as far as BSG, I also would have like to have more of an explanation as to why teh Cylons hate humanity to the point of genocide.

[Loser]

Original Thought Challenge: Find a story involving travel into the past prior to A Connecticut Yankee in King Aurthur's Court. This book beats-out The Time Machine by nine years.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by gregebowman:
But as far as BSG, I also would have like to have more of an explanation as to why teh Cylons hate humanity to the point of genocide.

Well, if you are talking about the new Version, the explanation was pretty well summed up in the Last two minutes. The cylons consider the human worlds to be their home too, as naturally they would since they oringated there. Since the two Groups couldn't live together, proven by the war that ended forty years before, the cylons had to remove the humans. Hunting them down and killing the Last of them is neccesary becuase they know if any humans are left alive they will return some day and take their revenge. It's been this way throughout our history, and is the reason the new king always kills the old kings children.

[ December 11, 2003, 17:05: Message edited by: geoschmo ]