Battlestar Galactica **Spoilers** discussion

[gregebowman]

Before the topic gets too far off track from the original thread, I was talking to a friend who works at Suncoast Motion Pictures where I get most of my dvds. He was telling me, first of all, that both Olmos and Katee Sachoff had never seen Battlestar Galactic before and were surprised at all of the vehemence that was being thrown their way. Once they saw some of the original BSG, they were disturbed by all of the differences. He informed me that if a new series were to develop, they would probably not be in it. Also, he doubts there will be a new series, due to the outrage that has come out over the new BSG and what happened to Farscape. And once he mentioned to me what Richard Hatch's storyline would have been like, I wish that would have been made instead. But apparently Glen Larson threw a monkey wrench into those plans, and then Universal stood up and claimed they owned the rights, but wasn't willing to pay the budget for the script. That's when Sci-Fi channel claimed they would make a mini-series instead.

[Patroklos]

I agree, relying on a singe platform would be disasterous.

Lately I have been experimenting with alternate ship designs. Clocked raiders with anti-planet weapons to kill attack behind enemy lines. Same sort of ships with troops to capture a base in the rear, then by the time my fleet gets there they have a base to repair and resupply at. One with all pychic/conVersion weaons to "recruit a lone warship. And just simple cloaked raiders to kill single transports and mine layer/sweeper ships wandering around. My favorite (which I haven't actually used yet) is a cloaked raider with mines. They shadow an enemy fleet and when I figure out where it is moveing I seed the route with mines. There are so many possibilites to harass enemies.

I don't expect to see any of this in BSG as the war is "over", but these ships must have existed before the defeat, and SOMETHING other than a Battlestar should have made it to the anchorage.

-Pat

[Cyrien]

If you look at it it really isn't surprising no other military vessel made it.

The Cylons had complete knowledge of the location, distribution, supplies, capabilities of every ship in the military via access to the computer system. They also were able to shut down the new program that was apparantly installed on everything from fighters to battlestars. They show up where they know the enemy is or where the standard plan says they should go turn them off and destroy them neat as you please.

So why does Galactica survive? It was old, obsolete, the program wasn't networked to all the sytems but limited to a few because of a cantankerous old commander who wouldn't allow networked systems onboard. When hostilities break out they aren't going to follow the standard plan because they have no munitions, large fighter group is destroyed right off, no supplies, no support and no orders to them from other higher ups because of all this.

The others try to engage the enemy and get destroyed. The Galactica doesn't and when engaged runs away and can't be disabled like the others were.

[Starhawk]

Originally posted by gregebowman:
Before the topic gets too far off track from the original thread, I was talking to a friend who works at Suncoast Motion Pictures where I get most of my dvds. He was telling me, first of all, that both Olmos and Katee Sachoff had never seen Battlestar Galactic before and were surprised at all of the vehemence that was being thrown their way. Once they saw some of the original BSG, they were disturbed by all of the differences. He informed me that if a new series were to develop, they would probably not be in it. Also, he doubts there will be a new series, due to the outrage that has come out over the new BSG and what happened to Farscape. And once he mentioned to me what Richard Hatch's storyline would have been like, I wish that would have been made instead. But apparently Glen Larson threw a monkey wrench into those plans, and then Universal stood up and claimed they owned the rights, but wasn't willing to pay the budget for the script. That's when Sci-Fi channel claimed they would make a mini-series instead.

No offense man but yeah right....I doubt anyone much less the actors were truely disturbed by the changes. So I think your friend is FOS. Especially because there have been numerious interveiws including at ScifiCon or whatever it's called where Almos and Sachoff both say they enjoyed their roles and would return so I think your friend was yanking your wank.

As to Sci-Fi making a full series I doubt they'd let what happened to farscape get in the way as most people really don't care about the old BSG now a days and those that are truely outraged really need to get a life. Personally the majority of people I've spoken to that have seen it loved it and really hope it comes out as a full fledged series so again I think you were getting taken for a ride.
Farscape was a disaster in that it was pulled too late, personally season five tanked and they really should have ended it back in season four and by time the realized it they were already SOL.
As far as Richard Hatch goes he was probobly gonna make a campy cheesy new series that was just like the old one where you couldn't really get attached to any of the characters because either they were goofballs that were supposedly hellraisers like Starbuck or they were little pretty boy perfect guys like Apollo.

The new Starbuck is a badass and a true hellraiser that you just love because she's got more chutspa then a lot of guys on the show.
The new Apollo and Adama are REAL people they have problems they have failings and they are easily liked because of this.

Sorry man but what you said is just not beleivable at all as the actors said to every interveiw that they enjoyed their role and would love to return and considering they were already paid and the miniseries already made they'd have no reason to lie about it. And Sci-Fi would not have put the time and great ammount of money that they did into making a Pilot episode with a bigass clifhanger when they had no intention of bringing it back especially because most of the old die hard BSG fans are just that....OLD they are looking for young people ages 16 to 25 and so would make a series targeted for them and being that most 16-25 year olds would consider BSG campy and lame they'd probobly greatly enjoy the new one and thus it would get HIGH Ratings from the youngons.
I mean even my SISTER liked it and really hopes they come out with a new series and she gagged every time she saw the original series.

[ December 12, 2003, 22:11: Message edited by: Starhawk ]

[Fyron]

Lets keep this civil guys.

[CNCRaymond]

Well now, time for the old CNC to chime in with his thoughts and opinions on the New BSG. (Note my avatar)

I have been a big fran of BSG since I was a kid. I thought it to be one of the most original concepts for a sci-fi show to ever come along. Star Trek was a nice original, but I believe Gene got his idea for Star Trek from the Forbidden Planet. Glen Larson, who wrote the original tele-play for BSG also did work on Buck Rogers in the 80's.

When BSG came out, they did not have the big a budget or the technologies for special effects that shows of today have. In fact, they did not even have the basic technology that were used in Star Wars at the time. That being said, the special effects, especially for the premier, were excellent for the time. Granted by today’s standards they are laughable, but back then and through much of the 80's, they were not. So judging the special effects of BSG by today’s standards is really a crime. If they had the technology of today back then, imagine how good it would have been. (The same could be said for the original Star Trek.)

My thoughts on the new BSG are a little mixed. I liked the Loren Green Adam better, a good father, good husband, and a spiritual man. The new Adama is also good, but in a different way. Elmos (sp) does an excellent job with the character, and I really enjoy watching him. I am a bit saddened however by how they are portraying the new Adama, a broken father, a divorced man, a flawed human. This new Adama character is much darker than its predecessor, however the new character traits lend themselves very nicely to the new story.

The new cylons. Well I am a big fan of the old Cylons, and to me they do not look like walking chrome toasters, and it really angers me when actors and people dis them as such. They looked cool and have always looked cool. They were impressive and awe inspiring and still are. They were very recognizable as being Cylon than the new Human models, or their metal counter parts, and they had a romantic appeal to them that the new models lack. They truly represented Man vs Machine far better IMHO than the new ones. And for the record, BSG came before Bladerunner so it was Bladerunner who copied the premis from BSG and not the New BSG copying Bladerunner. The New BSG has inherited the right to use this story in any way the writers see fit as far as I am concerned. Human vs Machine, or Cylon vs human, weather god made the cylons or man did, makes no difference to me.

About the human Cylons, well we saw them in the horrible series BSG 1980, and that in my opinion cleared the road for them now. I think it is a possible and entirely plausible expectation for a race of machines created by man to eventually want to become as human as they can. Ala Data of course. (Any one remember Lore? He would make a nice Cylon here. I should also note that in STNG they had an episode where Data, a human looking machine, right to be treated as a living being, or property was decided. Imagine if it had gone the other way? Would he, being sentient, wish to continue being a slave, or would he to rebel and seek vengance as his brother Lore had?)

A female Starbuck and Boomer what a concept. At first I was a bit turned off by this, but then I began to warm to it. I like the idea of having Starbuck as a women, although the lady playing the character I really do not care for. Boomer is an excellent match, but her being a Cylon sleeper really mucked it up for me.

The new ships are great. I love the new Basestars, Cylon raiders, and vipers. The new Galactica is nice as well, a bit more ribby than I would like, but still a very nice looking model.

All in all, I have enjoyed the new series a lot. I loved the old series, and no it is not campy, if you want campy lost in space will do just fine, compared to the new series. They are of a different flavor and I happen to enjoy both.

[ December 13, 2003, 02:24: Message edited by: CNCRaymond ]

[Starhawk]

I was saying Richard Hatch would probobly have made it campy as he was planning on playing up Apollo as an uberhero (big suprise right guys ).

I've never seen the Lost in Space series so I don't know anything about it there sorry.

And it was mainly the abusive use of words like Felgakarb, By the LORDS OF KOBOL!!!!, Hades Hole and various sayins like that that made it campy in my opinion I mean FRAK! has that nice ring to it because you know what it means especially in the new series where you actually get the impression of them saying a bad word ....well that and the woman who cried the second a viper was blown up spoiled it for me.

[ December 13, 2003, 02:25: Message edited by: Starhawk ]