OT: Saddam Hussein Arrested

[Phoenix-D]

[quote]Originally posted by CNCRaymond:

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
[qb]I should point out that this quote was taken out of context as I was referring to the fact that I had been insulted, and the person who had done this insulting justified it by claiming his insults were in response to my having directly insulted him. Something I had not done.


However, I can see your point Phoenix. It was most certainly not intended as an insult, but I can see how it can be taken as one. A poor choice of wording on my part. I shall, in the future, attempt to be more precise.

No, it wasn't. I fully understood what you were going for, and frankly insults are entirely perception. Which means that yes, he was responding to an insult, meant or not..

The second post was just to provide the proof without making people dig for it.

[Will]

Originally posted by CNCRaymond:
Again, I will endeavor to be more precise in the future. I forget that people often take statements literally, and not in the spirt for which they were typed.

I should have been more specific, and I was not, I stand corrected, and do apologies if I have offend those people. However, the essence of what I said does stand true. If they opposed the war, then it can be said, even if it is proven to be inaccurate, that they supported the continued human suffering that the Iraqi people were enduring by not supporting action to stop that suffering. [/QB]

So by not supporting a specific action to stop "human suffering" (not necessarily of the Iraqis), a person is therefore guilty of not supporting any action to stop "human suffering"? That is flawed logic, I'm afraid. It is quite possible for someone to believe that war is not the way to end "human suffering", and that another path can be found.

To attempt a horrible analogy that takes things to extremes (and borrowing from all the wife-beating occuring earlier in the thread):
If I do not support vivisecting the husband for beating his wife, and thus removing the threat of the husband beating his wife, then I must support the continued beatings -- even if I merely support putting him in a small concrete room for a period of time, and restricting his activities after release from said room (ie, no alcohol, counseling, curfews, community service, whatever...).

Hmm, hope that made sense...

[President_Elect_Shang]

Gees Roanon, didn’t you and I just have this song and dance. Now you are on the floor with someone else? I feel jealous, point is there had to be around a half dozen ways to put your opinion of CNCRaymond’s comments in a manner that was not insulting. Don’t start jumping on me (happy face) I am only pointing this out because I thought we had reached an agreement. I am sure being as eloquent and insightful as you are, you could soften the blow so that it does not look like you want to start a fight. Anyway, I still feel that you are cheating on me. Didn't I argue enough for you Last time dear?

Just a joke,
don't stroke.

Let me also add CNC that you did come across wrong.

[ December 14, 2003, 22:41: Message edited by: President Elect Shang ]

[Fyron]

Guys... stop. Seriously. Mud has been slung on both sides. Let it die. This thread is heading nowhere but to a lockdown.

[CNCRaymond]

Ah, I have become the focus of angry comments. I will not run and hide from what I have said. If you all enjoy what you are posting them by all means, keep posting. I know I will.

The truth is, I was not the one to personally insult someone, I was the one who was personally insulted. Twisting my words to suit your needs, does not justify your actions or comments. I have apologized for not being more precise in my comments, and if that is not good enough, then oh well, life goes on.

To many of you are far to inflamed by this topic and I agree that the best thing to do here is for you all to apologize for treating me with disrespect or to lock down this thread to prevent more of your unprofessional behavior and comments.

After all pointing out other points of view, whether or not I personally agree with them or not, is all that I have done. Attacking me for it just proves how valid those other points of view are. If that offends people, then perhaps they have a guilty conscience for not supporting the war effort. I do not know, and I really don't care if you defend your insulting behavior by piling on more insults. That is your right, even if it does violate the terms of use of this forum.

If Roanon was offended by my comments, he should have handled it more professionally than to resort to the childish insulting behavior that he chose to conduct himself in. Justifying his behavior by saying I insulted him is at best warped logic.

Now that Phoenix has pointed out the error of my ways, I have posted an apology. The matter is now considered resolved in my opinion. But again, if you all wish to continue with this debate, I will be more than happy to oblige you.

Will, you make an excellent point in your post. Thank you for pointing out the warped logic of the statement. However, even though it is warped, people will saddly still chose to believe it.

[ December 14, 2003, 23:04: Message edited by: CNCRaymond ]

[Will]

Well, I don't think my comments were angry... I'm just pointing out the flawed logic in your statements, generalizing opposition to one thing as opposition to all things. I'm pretty sure the disrespecting comment wasn't directed at what I said, but just to make sure: There was no disrespect in my post, whether you saw it or not

Overall guideline for forum-goers: If a generalization is posted that is insulting, try not to take it seriously; it will save all involved a headache

--edit: Fyron, aye, I did it seems... I was fairly sure that it wasn't directed at my comments, but I was just ensuring that everyone knew that

[ December 14, 2003, 23:10: Message edited by: Will ]

[Fyron]

Originally posted by rextorres:
[QB] I think that's unfair. I've staked out a position and you merely disagree with it. When you disagree with my position it's discussion when I refute your position it's argumentative. [qb]

Actually... when you refute someones position in an overtly hostile manner, it is arumentative. If you drop the hostility, it will become discussion like most other people's responses.

Fyron even called me "partisan" because he disagrees with all my postitions but of course he not a partisan

It miust be nice knowing what everyone else thinks and believes. I have not actually posted anything that would support such a statement. What I have posted that I disagree with is your attitude and manner of "discussion".

And for the record, Bush did lie. It is called propaganda, part of waging war. Every war fought throughout history has been filled with propaganda. Propaganda is by its very nature at best a half-truth. You can not fault someone for employing propaganda. You can certainly fault them for their real reasons for going to war, but not just the fact that they lied. Lying is what being a leader is about.