OT: Saddam Hussein Arrested

rextorres · #1 December 15th, 2003, 02:36 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Rex, I did not say your hostility is aimed at anyone in particular. The overall tone of your Messages is extremely dismissive of anyone that does not share your opinions. You can be hostile in general without a specific target in mind. I could rattle off a list of other adjectives that might be more appropriate than "hostile", but that would accomplish little. This is much more evident in the Military Buffs thread (as well as the tone of many of your Posts in these sorts of threads that have existed in the past) than in this thread, but the issue is being discussed here, not there.

As for your challenge, I do not have an opinion one way or another on many of these particular issues, so meeting it (as well as failing it) would be rather difficult.

I suppose calling someone a "flag waver" could be considered an insult in some circles, but other than that I do not read any hostility in my tone in that thread either.

I did disagree with you in that thread as well though . . . so maybe that's why you are picking up hostility.

BTW: Can I quote what you've posted here next time you write an opinion.

CNCRaymond · #2 December 15th, 2003, 03:31 AM

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I suppose calling someone a "flag waver" could be considered an insult in some circles, but other than that I do not read any hostility in my tone in that thread either.

I think the person you called "flag waver" was thrilled to death by it.

Seriously though, it was a bit provacative. I am surprised he let it go without challenging you. If he is a flag waver, then you would have to provide proof, IE a picture of such, and since you cannot provide such proof, the alligation can be taken as I said, provocatively. In stead he simply let the comment go without comment. That says a lot about his character.

But all is good that ends good, so lets move on.

CNCRaymond · #3 December 15th, 2003, 03:36 AM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
And for the record, Bush did lie. It is called propaganda, part of waging war. Every war fought throughout history has been filled with propaganda. Propaganda is by its very nature at best a half-truth. You can not fault someone for employing propaganda. You can certainly fault them for their real reasons for going to war, but not just the fact that they lied. Lying is what being a leader is about.

Uh, I don't know about this Fyron. Personally I am not convinced that Bush lied about Iraq's WMD's. It very possible, if not likely, at this point Bush was very wrong about the threat of Iraqi WMD's. But being wrong and lying are two very different things.

If someone were to prove that Bush knew that Iraq had no legitimate WMD threat and that the war was only intended to line the pockets of Haliburton then I would say that goes way beyond propaganda. Propaganda is lying to gain tactical advantage over the enemy. This would be lying to your own people to cover up presidential malfeseance of a tremendous scale.

Geoschmo

Well spoken Geoschmo. Although Fyron does make a good point and one that can pass as he has described it. Bush may have been spreading propoganda knowing that it might not be accurate. That is something that he will have to answer for in time I think.

About this "Haliburton" can you provide more info. I only briefly heard about this the other day and have not been able to do a follow up. Thanks.

Fyron · #4 December 15th, 2003, 03:49 AM

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Originally posted by rextorres:
I suppose calling someone a "flag waver" could be considered an insult in some circles, but other than that I do not read any hostility in my tone in that thread either.

Here are a few of your more hostile passages:

"Some people feel uncomfortable with this "revisionist" history because it doesn't show the US in the best light and in today's Jingoistic climate if your not 100% pro US your unpatriotic . . . I guess if it lets them sleep better at night good for them."

"Atrocities - dropping the a-bomb wasn't meant to save civilian lives - I guess it's hard for flag wavers to admit that the U.S. was already killing hundred of thousands of civilian lives - not admitting THIS is revisionist. "

"That the bomb ended the war is a myth that we Americans like to tell ourselves. The US was already killing 100,000s of civilians every night from fire bombings in the capital cities so please don't give me any altruistic crap about saving innocent civilian lives."

All of these have an explicity provokative tone to them. Hence, hostility. There is no need for the tone of these. You could have avoided a lot of problems by wording them better.

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I did disagree with you in that thread as well though . . . so maybe that's why you are picking up hostility.

Disagreement does not equate hostility. The hardest mistakes to recognize are your own.

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BTW: Can I quote what you've posted here next time you write an opinion.

If I am ever as hostile as you are at times, feel free to.

CNCRaymond · #5 December 15th, 2003, 03:49 AM

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Originally posted by Roanon:

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Originally posted by CNCRaymond:
the best thing to do here is for you all to apologize for treating me with disrespect

No comment.

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If Roanon was offended by my comments, he should have handled it more professionally than to resort to the childish insulting behavior that he chose to conduct himself in. Justifying his behavior by saying I insulted him is at best warped logic.

Do I understand this correctly? Calling me childish is NOT an insult, because YOU are doing it?
If I was offended by your comments (yes I was) then I should have handled it more professionally than by saying you insulted me, which is at best warped logic?
I give up, I really cannot understand this logic, my fault probably.

No you do not understand me correctly. I did not call you childish, I called your behavior childish and insulting. But you can take it any way you want. And thank you for your apology if that is indeed what you have done here; "I give up, I really cannot understand this logic, my fault probably." If not, oh well, life goes on.

However, in the intrest of putting this behind us and moving forward with other topics, I, for having inadvertantly offending you with my words, offer my apologies.

I do not believe you to be a bad person, and if I have inadvertantly implied that you are, well that was not my intent.

Besides, what would I have gained by dilibrately insulting a member of this forum? Naw, I feel that you are more emotionally connected to the topic than I, therefore far more invested in what is said.

If you have no futher objects, shall we consider this the end?

President_Elect_Shang · #6 December 15th, 2003, 03:59 AM

Nicely put CNC, Roanon?

rextorres · #7 December 15th, 2003, 04:35 AM

Thanks Fyron - If saying something is "Altruistic Crap" and lamenting that one can't voice his opinions because of the climate in America today is "hostile" then you have a very thin skin. I can point to a number of posting in this thread alone that are way more provocative than that.

Anyways, I thought you wrote that, "I do not have an opinion one way or another on many of these particular issues".

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