OT- LOTR fan discussion thread - SPOILER WARNING

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Also, you are forgetting that the Maiar are also demi-gods, though lesser demi-gods. Sauron, Gandalph and Sauruman are all Maiar.

i think 'angels' would be a better fit. and he still would have been conquered Last, so that point stands.

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
Yes, as is Radagast, who does not appear in the movies.

Actually... he does sort of appear indirectly, in the form of that moth that always precedes the eagles... he did take that form to reach Gandalph in the books, though he became himself again to talk with him. But, he should have been an actual character, to show that there are more than just the 2 wizards Gandalph and Sauruman.

And the other two unnamed members of the Istari, the wizards council of which Sauruman was the head, were also Maiar. I think the Dragons were started from corrupted Maiar as well, though I am not certain on that one... Shelob was one of the few remaining offspring of Ungoliant, a huge spider-demon thingie that came out of the Void surrounding the world (as did a lot of other "monsters").

[ January 08, 2004, 20:17: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Fyron]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:

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Also, you are forgetting that the Maiar are also demi-gods, though lesser demi-gods. Sauron, Gandalph and Sauruman are all Maiar.

i think 'angels' would be a better fit. and he still would have been conquered Last, so that point stands.

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But he was not powerful, just not subject to the influence of the ring. He has no power to resist an army of orcs (or of men even).

Actually, the Valar are more like the "angels," with the Maiar being a group of "lesser angels," as Iluvatar, the guy over everything, is the "God" in Middle Earth, though he is never worshipped by anyone. Keep in mind that angels are demi-gods.

[ January 08, 2004, 20:18: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

But he was not powerful, just not subject to the influence of the ring. He has no power to resist an army of orcs (or of men even).

then why would he be conquered Last?

[Puke]

I always had the impression that Bombadil was incredibly powerfull. I thought that Gandalf had said the ring would have been safe if left with him, and that his woods would not fall, but that it wouldnt be right to ask that of him, and it wouldnt help the rest of the world.

I also seem to remember him saying that Bombadil could probably come out and lay down some whoop-***, but it just wouldnt be cool to ask.

[Fyron]

Oh... hmm... too bad Tolkien never said just who the hell Bombadil is...

[gravey101]

didn't he say that he was also just as likely to give the ring away as anything ?