Ship weapon loadout

[primitive]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
So you are assuming an inexperienced player against and experienced one then? Of course you can beat inexperienced players that do not know that fighters are not very powerful when you have sufficient PDCs, but you do not really need to go overboard...

And again, I will repeat that the economic impact of an extra PDC on your ships is so minor that it does not matter. I would be very surprised to see a game where this was the only determining factor in victory, or even a major one. Except, possibly, in that extremely small slice of MP games that are 1 v 1 games.

Nope. Cause the other guy have to guess, experience does not matter (much). I have seen some of the most experienced and well respected players guess very very wrong.

Also, for late game with Battleships and Dreads, you are right in your statement that an extra PDC does not matter. When people are putting 3 on their destroyers and LCs and then add some extra PDC ships to their fleets, it does matter.

[Fyron]

Most MP games do not have very much war with destroyers... and even then, 3 PDCs is not a big investment over 2 PDCs on destroyers and LCs. A PDC ship or two is also still not a big factor. Especially if you do not rush for shields or armor right away, but instead concentrate on CS and ECM (as combat bonuses are far more important than shields or armor, without a lot of research invested into the shields...), so you might not even have shields or armor to use, so that space can have an extra PDC or two easily and not have it be a significant chunk of the economy. And even if you have to give up 2 armors, it only weakens your ships by 2 shots worth of unmounted DUC Vs, or one shot worth of a large mount DUC V. This can make a bit of a difference, but not much, unless your forces are otherwise identical in numbers... 3 PDC is not by far heavily invested in, or paranoid.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by primitive:
Also, for late game with Battleships and Dreads, you are right in your statement that an extra PDC does not matter. When people are putting 3 on their destroyers and LCs and then add some extra PDC ships to their fleets, it does matter.

See now you are shifting arguments on me.

Primitive, would it be flaming you for me to tell you to stop pulling a Fyron?

However, this does perhaps explain why you might have seen some games where fighters were a deciding factor. Since Koth games do tend to end during that phase of the game. But I'd still call that the early game. It's just that Koth games tend to end in the early game.

Geoschmo

[primitive]

I did not do any namedropping, but when you mention it
But I've seen much much worse Geo, I truly have.
And lets call it a minor flame. I can live with it

I agree most KOTH games can be defined as "early game", but even the largest games goes through an "early game" phase. Unless you get into diplomatic trouble, getting ahead of the pack can be quite rewarding.

Allthough I seldom use fighter in mid/late game due to the micromanagement, I still believe they are effective. In fact I'm plan to rely quite heavily on them in a largish game right now where my available space is not quite at the level I want/need. I'll keep you posted on the results
(To those in games with me: Remember, I might be bluffing )

Fyron:
You seems to know a whole lot about the best strategies for these small games without playing in them yourself. Maybe it's time for you to put your money where your mouth is

[Fyron]

Again, I am forced to defer to Geo's post, which echos previous statements I have made alluding to 1 v 1 games primarily being early game situations... I certainly have had enough experience in early game situations to be able to theorize about various strategies and such. I have played in several 1 v 1 games anyways.

1 v 1 games remove the elements of playing SE4 in multiplayer that are the most fun to me... just one opponent turns it into a purely competitive match, which is little fun to me. This is why I am not in KOTH.

[ January 23, 2004, 22:31: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Wardad]

For those Shrapnel Fanatics:

[narf poit chez BOOM]

can't see the pic.