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Old January 28th, 2004, 06:14 AM

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Gases such as oxygen exist in nebula's due to the nova's or supernova's that created the nebula's. During the final years of a star's life, progressively 'heavier' elements are combined via fusion to create even more, "heavier" elements. That is to say, at first hydrogen is fused to form helium. Then, once the hydrogen supply becomes a little short, the helium at the core of the star begins to fuse together to form other elements. Through this chain of events, the "heavy" elements are formed, elements like oxygen, lithium, etc.

So when the star goes nova, those elements are dispersed into interstellar space, forming a nebula. However, these nebulae are constantly expanding due to the forces that created them in the first place. So eventually, the elements that form them are dispersed until the elements are spread as evenly as possible.

So basically, what a vacuum is is all the atoms that form the universe trying to spread themselves as evenly as possible throughout the universe, trying to create a uniform pressure. So the gas escaping from the tank is simply trying to equalize its internal pressure with the pressure of space. However, the pressure of space is very low, and space is so huge, so the tank becomes virtually empty, except for a few molecules that remain.

Also, gravity does overcome the drive to equalize pressure on both large and small scales. Planets on the small scale, and galaxies on the large. And galaxy clusters and superclusters if you want to go that far.

But I've probably confused you enough already, so I'll stop there.
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The densest nebulae have about 10,000 molecules per cm^3.
The air we breathe has 10^19.

If they get too dense or cool, then they'll collapse into star clusters.
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Fully understand the vacuum is because there is a lack of any heavier elements hydrogen and helium making up 99.999% of the volume of interstellar space.
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Umm... invert that number and then divide some really huge exponentials into it and you have a more accurate number on the volume of space taken up by hydrogen and helium. Now, the vast majority of matter is made of those 2 elements, but the vast majority of space is empty.
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When molecules move and collide with something, they exert force on it, transfering some kinetic energy. This is what pressure is, a measure of the average force that the matter is exerting upon a surface, an object, a probe, etc.
ah, that explains it. so, if you froze something to near 0 kelvin, you could compact it alot?
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Fully understand the vacuum is because there is a lack of any heavier elements hydrogen and helium making up 99.999% of the volume of interstellar space.
Fyron is correct..if this was true, letting oxygen out into space and then lighting a match would result in an explosion. It doesn't.

Hydrogen and helium make up the majority of elements because they are the simplest and take the least mass. For every, oh, carbon atom you could have TWELVE hydrogen atoms. For the metals and heavy radioactive elements, it gets even worse.

EDIT: and yes, things near 0K can be more compact. Note the can. Because as you compact them you decrease the volume and increase the pressure. The result of -that- is an increase in heat.

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ah, that explains it. so, if you froze something to near 0 kelvin, you could compact it alot?
Yes, because the molecules would not hardly be moving at all. And what P-D said. The increase in heat from compacting stuff comes from the increase in the kinetic energy transfered per unit area/volume, hence increased pressure. Same amount of energy, just in a smaller area/volume. But then the increased heat causes the molecules to move faster, so they get away from each other and decrease the volume again, unless you keep them trapped. Keep in mind that temperature is a measure of the average root mean square velocity of the molecules in a given volume, which is a direct result of their average kinetic energy.

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