OT: What is the Universe Expanding into?

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Taz-in-Space:
OK. Think of it this way:

Nobody has ever written down a SERIOUS try at the ultimate number. At some point, every attempt was halted because of the time factor.
AND every attempt will be that way unless you know of a being that NEVER DIES. So just because these lesser numbers have always been able to be added to one, is no PROOF that there is no number where this is NOT the case.

Thus you LOGICALLY proved it, but NOT physically proved it!

The concept of infinity is not provable directly by its very nature. That is my whole point and the reason that I dislike the whole concept!

It is proveable by induction, which is a highly valid form of mathematical proof. "physically" proving that a number is infinite in length is silly and a waste of time.

And if we can understand the concept of time and space, the universe and death, why are we alone? No other creature on earth, that we know of, has ever, say for man, pondered the universe and what lays beyond it.

That is because there is only one form of sentient life on the Earth...

[ February 11, 2004, 04:22: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

And if we can understand the concept of time and space, the universe and death, why are we alone? No other creature on earth, that we know of, has ever, say for man, pondered the universe and what lays beyond it.

Mybe the universe only exsist as long as we think it does. That when the Last human dies, so dies this universe. So by reproducing, we keep the universe, and the genes that make up our race, passed down from one generation to the next for nearly a million years, stay alive.

Atrocities, when thoughts like that start going through your head, it's an indication that your thinking to much. go watch spongebob squarepants, seriously, it's more productive than thoughts like that.

[Taz-in-Space]

"physically" proving that a number is infinite in length is silly and a waste of time.

I agree. I also still maintain that stating that an infinite void exists outside the universe is also silly. Nobody knows. IT IS JUST IDLE SPECULATION - A GUESS.

[Kamog]

I agree with Fyron. The universe itself is not expanding. It's just the galaxies that are moving apart, and therefore it is just the observable portion of the universe whiich is expanding.

[Phoenix-D]

The problem with sentience and the question of has anything else pondered this- is both are damn near impossible to negatively prove. Intelligence is not an on/off button.

[Puke]

Originally posted by PvK:
Universe is a classic 8-bit starship command adventure game with ship design, systems energy management, spiraling orbits, etc., which came on four floppy disks in a cool padded binder.

It expanded into sequels Universe II, Universe III, Breach, Breach 2, Rules of Engagement...

This is the single best and most conclusive answer to the arguement. The rest of you may sit down.

on a more serious and related note, the theory of dark matter is working on being disproven. entire models of the universe and what we know about it, may be based on faulty information and bad assumptions.

http://www.economist.com/science/dis...ory_id=2404626

I tend to plead agnosticism when it comes to questions like this, but honestly i enjoy believing that the universe is a product of its own imagination, and exists because it wills its self to. sort of like reality being a concentual halunination, but not quite.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Experiment: To Prove Or Disprove The Reality Of A Brick Wall

Ingredients: One Brick Wall, One Right Leg(Attached To Researcher), One Right Shoe(On Right Foot, Right Foot Attached To Right Leg), One Researcher

Plan: Propel Right Shoe Until It Impacts Brick Wall, By Means Of Muscles In Right Leg.

Prediction: Unable To Acertian. Brick Wall, Right Shoe, Right Foot, Right Leg Or Researcher May Be Hallucination, Delusion, Illusion Or Real.

Observation: Felt Right Shoe Impact Against Brick Wall, Impact Travelled Through Right Foot, Up Right Leg And Into Rest Of Researcher.

Conclusion: Unable To Draw Any Conclusion. Pain May Be Hallucination, Delusion, Illusion Or Real. Don't Care Anymore. Going To Soak Right Foot. OWW!

[ February 11, 2004, 05:43: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]