energy transmition lens and fighters.

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by primitive:
Did a test and shield depleters works nicely on fighters. I didn't know that

One stack of 25 fighters with a total of 1500 shield points:
- Takes 5 hits by a Large SD-5s to tap all shields (5 x 300), as expected.
I build an ETL and tries again:
- Same 5 hits still taps all the shields.

So it seems like ETL's don't work on fighters at all

Did the test with sequential moves and tactical combat, dunno if that makes a difference.

Could you send your tests to MM?

[primitive]

Didn't save the game, but it only takes 5-10 minutes to do such a test again. Not sure exactly what I should send though as its just a small map with one Crystalline race with a bunch of fighters and another race with one ship with a SD.

Not even sure I am unhappy with the result either. Crystalline is already the strongest racial in my opinion (yup, at least as strong a religious), and 60 extra points pr fighter would have been over the top

[Paul1980au]

Incorparating ETLs on fighters in some way or perhaps even a variation effect is a good idea to explore - give MM all the results you find so it can be worked with.

[Baron Munchausen]

The combination of Crystalline Armor and the shield-boosting "Energy Transmission Lense' does give Crystalline races a very strong defensive advantage. Even though the Shard Cannon is relatively weak offensively once shields are developed a few levels, it's so hard to destroy crystalline armor equipped ships that they are very likely to get the chance to exploit their special weapon.

I think that Temporal is about as strong offensively as Crystalline is defensively, though. The special weapons available to Temporal races are very nasty. If you can afford the points, taking both of these traits together would be truly evil -- if you get the chance to research all those tech levels.

[Paul1980au]

You know combining say a branch of the crystaline defensiveness and the offensive temporal branchs is an idea for tech tree expansion. Perhaps offensive races could be limited to research only a certain shiled tech level or have shields weakened by 20% ?

Its good to have these variants as it makes the game interesting, i find that the cyrstaline and psychic combination is good - ie convert with heavily defended ships that are hard to destroy.

ETL and perhaps temporal techs could be on fighters but with some restricitons. Ie perhaps bigger size sacrificing movement of sheilding ?

[oleg]

Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
... it's so hard to destroy crystalline armor equipped ships that they are very likely to get the chance to exploit their special weapon.

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Actually, it is not The idea is a "Sandwich Battery" (copy right by Oleg, 2002 ):

Normally, people put several SD first on ship and then normal weapons, say APB. But when fighting CA, rearrange weapons in this way: SD,APB,SD,APB...
When SD hits ship with CA, it saps shields but shields DO NOT regenerate from damage here.

It leaves CA ship naked to APB hit. Whatever shields are regenerated after APB hit are then removed by SD, etc. CA becomes a basically standard armor !
Notice that you don't even need to waste space using mounts on SD, decent SD with normal mounts take care of 6-9 CAIII

All together you get CA piercing weapon wich is only 30% bigger then large mounted APB (even better on larger ships)

[primitive]

Great idea Oleg, and coupled with a Talisman it would be devastating.
Not sure how well it will work with a more normal 50 – 70 % to hit chance though.

Hmmmm. Time for some more testing