OT - How would sc-fi ships do in battle against each other?

[Fyron]

That is like saying a bullet proof vest is immune to all bullets because it can stop some of them. How about a big bullet, with tons of force behind it? Now compare a piddly laser to the very high powered ones used by SDs and such... the ST ships would have no special immunity to such lasers, and certainly not to the Death Star's weaponry.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Originally posted by Deathstalker:
Heh, I'd say the Argo (or Yamamoto...) would kick all thier collective butts

which sci-fi universe do those come from?

ok, as much as i like trek, i'd have to say that, realistically, the death star would crush the enterprise. the only thing the enterprise has on it's side is a franchise and technobabble. which would allow the enterprise to crush the death star.

how about we run down the list from biggest to smallest.

i say a David Weber planetiod would win >any< battle. as someone else said, gravatonic warheads which can blow a >planet< apart, antimatter warheads, massive energy weapons which cause any material they encounter to instantly fission, crew of up to 250000! so those death-star storm-troopers can board any time and get blown up by troops in REAL powered armor, grav guns, hyper-ray guns which make things disapear, plasma guns, plasma grenades, hyper grenades, not to mention fifth emperium light, meduim and heavy tanks and any one of those >light< tanks could probably take on the whole military of today's earth and win! and this isn't counting their parasite warships, one of which did battle with an entire system defence system! admitadly, it was civilian built, cobbled together and was designed to keep out plague ships, but still!

I'm willing to concede that it needent be Dahak, so the other ship/base/whatever wouldn't have to face a fully >senteint< warship.

anybody care to counter that?

did i mention multi-dimensional shields, computer fold-space communicater uplinks in the crew's brains and that it can achieve 70% of light speed, about 800 times light-speed under E-drive(don't ask me to spell it) and several thousand under hyper-drive? and that it's E-drive, which relies on converging black holes, can cause a minuture super-nove if their near a sun? or the cloaking system? admittadly, once they get within a few light-minutes of another >planatiod< they can be detected, but a borg cube, death star or ID4 mothership would be bLasted apart before they could even get close enough to see it, much less fire at it, since the missile's have a range of what? 17 light-minutes?

[ February 18, 2004, 01:33: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

no contenders? to bad. i guess it comes down to it or the magog worldship...and the worldship would have to get close enough to put unarmored and almost unarmed troops on board. it's toast.

i don't know how the Electronic Warfare capabilities would stack up.

for the death star/borg cube/ID4 mothership catagory, i say a DW Superdreadnought (Pod) is in the same catagory. i'm not sure how many missiles it could fire, but i think it's a total of 700, fired from pods rolled out the back of the ship. true, it's way out of the death star's tonnage at only 8 million tonnes, but what Honer Harrington would do is bombard the thing with missiles from a measly 2LM away, well within a MDM's 3LM range. which can go to 9LM at half-acceleration. so, she bLasts all the main guns to smitherens. after that, i admit it would take a long time to blow up a death star, even with an SD's guns, and it might come down to wether she can blow a big enough hole to reach the reacter before the smaller guns blow her ship up. but all that assume's there's no fighters. sigh. unless it has those new bow and stern sidewalls and she keeps them up to blow aways the fighters, there's no chance. and that would give the death star time to come in range.

anyone else get the idea i think DW's ships are the coolest? at least technically. Enterprise is the only competition.

Borg cube: ok, a borg cube isn't out of the weight range of a 4km long ship. in fact, i think the SD(P) may be larger. i think the SD(P) has a huge range advantage still, but even a manty SD(P) can only accelerate at i think 450g's. so, without bow and sternwalls, it would come down to wether the SD(P) could blow apart the borg cube before it came in range to shoot at the bow or the stern of the SD(P) or adapted. atvantage: Borg. definitaly. with bow and sternwalls, it would come down to wether the borg could adapt. i think that ones even. they might be able to adapt their shots to deal with the sidewalls, which are just focused gravity fields. can't remember if there in the 100's of g's catagory or the 1,000's of g's catagory.

ID4 mothership: ok, it's huge. about the length of the moon. i'd guess it would go about the same as the death star.

so, ok, it isn't quite up to the weight class, but it's definitly the plucky short guy. but i think the borg might be in that catagory to.

[ February 18, 2004, 04:27: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[QuarianRex]

Originally posted by gregebowman:
First of all, the Enterprise could outrun anything in the Star Wars universe. A star destroyer and the Millenium Falcon might get up to light speed, but we all know that any ship from the Star Trek universe could go to warp 9.99, which is 9.99 the speed of light cubed.

Where on earth did you get this idea? SW ships are much, much faster than trek ships. Voyager found itself on the other side of the galaxy and it was a 75 year trip home. Han Solo went from Tatooine to alderan in @three weeks. The republic (and then the empire) spaned an entire galaxy and ships routinely travelled its span without the need for generation ships. Propulsion tech in Star Wars is therefore vastly superior to that of trek. Don't get confused by the non-technical references to "lightspeed" and "lasers". These are just colloquialisms of a 70's space opera. Judge the tech by what it does, not by what it it's called.

[Fyron]

And, of course, the Rebel Fleet gathered together well outside the galaxy, and we could see the spiral arms and all quite nicely. I think that was SW VI... or was it V?

[Imperial]

the Yamato/Argo is from the Japanese anime cartoon Known in the U.S. as Starblazers. Id like to see a mock up of what a Zentradi(SP?) Flagship (from Robotech/Macross) can do too--those ships were nasty in the cartoon.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Where on earth did you get this idea? SW ships are much, much faster than trek ships. Voyager found itself on the other side of the galaxy and it was a 75 year trip home. Han Solo went from Tatooine to alderan in @three weeks. The republic (and then the empire) spaned an entire galaxy and ships routinely travelled its span without the need for generation ships. Propulsion tech in Star Wars is therefore vastly superior to that of trek. Don't get confused by the non-technical references to "lightspeed" and "lasers". These are just colloquialisms of a 70's space opera. Judge the tech by what it does, not by what it it's called.

i think he means the slower than light drive. in which case, the ST ships are faster.