Limit on Warp Points per system?

AMF · #1 February 22nd, 2004, 06:57 AM

So, as a freind just noticed: "Hmm. If you have ten or more systems within range of each other that
means you can seal yourself off completely with some effort and it will
be impossible to get at you. Interesting... I bet if you are already
trading with each other the game doesn't notice that you've effectively
lost contact."

Is this what they refer to as "turtling"...?

thanks,

Alarik

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Originally posted by Slynky:
I'll bow to Fyron on this but...

IF you try to build a warp point to a system that already has 10 points...you get the same failure message that one gets if trying to build a warp point to a system that has that (I forget the name) facility that prevents warp points being built in that system at all.

Slynky · #2 February 22nd, 2004, 07:09 AM

Turtling (sp?) has a bad connotation. To some degree, I understand it. And, conversely, I disagree with it. If it is obvious that a player is turtling to bring the game to a stalemate...that is wrong. However, if a person is turtling in order to gain some time to build a fleet, train it, etc., it's a different story. It's hard to make a distinction, sometimes, though.

Fyron · #3 February 22nd, 2004, 07:13 AM

Yes, that is turtling, and yes, it is bad. Several black marks on your record if you turtle completely.

It actually takes 11 or more systems, because you have to have 10 WPs in each, and you can not create a WP to the system you are in already (meaning it has both ends in the same system).

Alneyan · #4 February 22nd, 2004, 12:01 PM

You will not break communication with other Empires as long as it possible to reach one of your colonies, no matter how complicated this way would be. And you don't necessarily need to have explored the systems on this path.

I admit I don't know what happens if you completely block all your systems save one, but I gather it would still work as long as you retain control of this system. But of course, it would fall under "abusive turtling" as your prospective enemies cannot reach most of your colonies.

Arkcon · #5 February 23rd, 2004, 02:11 AM

So like everyone is saying... yes interlocking 11 systems lik this is turtling, but intelligence operations will still work against each other. So you can annoy the heck out of him. Unless you shut it off.

If you're in the mood for reprisals, and you have warp point creaters, retrofit to warp point closers, close one of the 10 max warp points, then open your own. Or turtle yourself in with closed warp points and the system shield facility.

Ruatha · #6 February 23rd, 2004, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by Alneyan:
You will not break communication with other Empires as long as it possible to reach one of your colonies, no matter how complicated this way would be. And you don't necessarily need to have explored the systems on this path.

I admit I don't know what happens if you completely block all your systems save one, but I gather it would still work as long as you retain control of this system. But of course, it would fall under "abusive turtling" as your prospective enemies cannot reach most of your colonies.

As long as there's one way in, no matter how hard defended. I think it's ok.
But completely turtelling is a booring playstyle.

Another way to turtle withour building warp points is ofcourse to destroy the warp points and build gravitational system shields.

[ February 22, 2004, 12:37: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

Baron Munchausen · #7 February 22nd, 2004, 06:05 PM

Yep, hard coded limit is 10. And there has to be a limit. This is why SE V ought to have an 'off road' method of interstellar travel, like MOO 3. And it might be cool to have 'sleeper ships' and play long slooow games without warp points at all.

Although I'd still like to see Warp Gates, as well.