OT: Election 2004

[Ragnarok-X]

Originally posted by dogscoff:
we are at the beginning of the next World War

Originally posted by Perrin:


I am sorry but I disagree. In the 90's they tried to blow up the World Trade Center with a bomb. They only did damage. On 9/11 they finally succeeded in destroying the building and killing many Americans. And do not forget what happened to the USS Cole. If you can not see that these are the actions of War then there is nothing I can say to convince you. However hiding our heads in the sand will not make it go away. George Bush is not pushing us to War he is responding to War.

I would like to see all Terrorist put out of Business no matter where or what nationality. And since they are willing to kill themselves to kill us (or our allies) then the only thing we can do is kill them before they kill us.

Heck are you actually KNOWING what you are writing ?
Bush. Bush.

See you once provided nations! with weapons, maybe even weapons of mass destruction.
You supported them, just for you own reaons.
You decided to supress nations, states, poeple. Man, Women, Children.
The USA has lost many of its former friends.
YEARS of surpressment, violence and hatred and you morrons actually WONDER why you are being bombed ?
You friggin forced it. The border had been reached.
HECK OPEN YOUR EYES FS. STOP LOOKING TV ALL THE TIME. LOOK AT THE WORLD, LOOK HOW THE WORLD REALLY IS !!! FS

Your Gouverments is doing friggin EVERYTHING to make you poor people stay dumb and NOT open your eyes. Most parts of the world are feeling ANGER toward your nation, weither it be civilians or soldiers.
You break treaties, you declare war without asking the world council (UN etc). You are breaking rules.
You force others to join your war. FORCE.
You kill innocent people. You are not at war because of terrorists, but because of RESSOURCES.
Because your Gouverment thinks it can establish a new world order. You try to control other. You are actually controlling others.
Your Gouverment is controlling YOU.
Poeple are dieing each day because YOU decide so. How can you let that happen ?!?
Iraq's weapons of mass destruction ?!? WHERE ARE THEY ?! WHERE ?!!!! Face it, Iraq wasnt attacked because of "Americas" Security, but rather because of Oil.
I cant stand it, wars being fought because of such stupid things.
You destroy buildings in Iraq. Now you are even asking the other countries to lower the depth that iraq has. HUH ?!?! I mean come on, am i dreaming ?

Now listen, im honest.
If i had the chance to actually -kill- Bush, believe me, i would.
Im no killer, neither a terrorits, now a fanatist.
Its just that i try i would try to make a better world. For my children, even for your children. For everyone, for a better world.
I wouldnt matter what would happen to me, as long as the world would continue peacefully, people being more happy than they are now.

Your Gouverment is destroying the entire world, is infecting it with propaganda, with anger, with fear, with weapons, with stupid politics.

Your Gouverment must be stopped. I cant believe millions of americans are not seeing what is happening. How dumb are you people ? Its unbelieveable, now its just sad, how the world is going towards its end.

[geoschmo]

Ragnarok-x, can I suggest you edit your Last post please. It makes it appear that Dogscoff said something that he actually did not say. He was quoting something said by someone else in the process of disagreeing with it.

[Perrin]

Well I can see where you are coming from. There is as much propaganda in your words as you accuse me of having.

See you once provided nations! with weapons, maybe even weapons of mass destruction.
You supported them, just for you own reasons.
You decided to suppress nations, states, people.

I agree this has all happened at one time or another. You are from Germany shall we discuss your history as well?

The USA has lost many of its former friends.

Debatable. Were they true friends or we they also serving there own interests?

You break treaties, you declare war without asking the world council (UN etc).

How can you say this when we asked and pleaded with the UN to enforce its own resolutions its own rulings. We waited months we even gave Sadam a chance to comply with the resolutions that he agreed to with his own signature. You supposition is preposterous.

You force others to join your war. FORCE.

How? Where? Who? Bah! Edit: The only 'others' that you could even possibly claim would be Iraq itself. Other than that we have forced no one. Have we demanded that France and Germany honor NATO? No.

Because your Government thinks it can establish a new world order. You try to control other. You are actually controlling others.

More propaganda. Never in its history has America conquered another nation. Is Japan or your Germany under our rule?

[ March 25, 2004, 17:09: Message edited by: Perrin ]

[AMF]

RE: (Originally posted by Perrin)

"Never in its history has America conquered another nation. Is Japan or your Germany under our rule?

Flag on the play. Ever been to the Phllipines? And, heck, depending on how far back you want to go, you could call all of "Manifest Destiny" colonialism pure and simple. Ever been to Hawai'i? How about Puerto Rico?

[Perrin]

Well you got me there...

OK how about in modern times then? Although I thought that the Philippines had their own government.

Edit: There is also this:

Because your Government thinks it can establish a new world order.

Some Americans think that the UN/World Council is trying to do the exact same thing. Intellectually what is the difference? I see none.

[ March 25, 2004, 17:25: Message edited by: Perrin ]

[Baron Munchausen]

Originally posted by alarikf:
RE: (Originally posted by Perrin)

"Never in its history has America conquered another nation. Is Japan or your Germany under our rule?

Flag on the play. Ever been to the Phllipines? And, heck, depending on how far back you want to go, you could call all of "Manifest Destiny" colonialism pure and simple. Ever been to Hawai'i? How about Puerto Rico?

Not to mention biting off about half of Mexico in 1848-50. Everything south of roughly Colorado, from Texas to California. Let's see, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, most of Utah, and California. A very big chunk of land taken by conquest.

[tesco samoa]

perrin these thoughts and feelings about america are quite common though out the world. I think it is an important issue that one in your country should ponder before they vote for a or b. As it is an important issue.

And no one is out to get your freedoms...

Its about the money. Either you control it or some one else does. Some call this self rule or self government. And until the middle east is controled by the middle east the attacks though out the world will continue.


P.S. I disagree on the concept of a military leader is a better leader. I think that civilians should run the country... To keep an eye on the military.