SEV - Intel Suggestions for MM

[Suicide Junkie]

The allowed projects should definitely depend on the facilities at the spy's current location.

Context-sensitive projects:

A project to temporarily take over a weapon platform for example ... It could fire a volley at random ships in orbit, using whatever weapons the enemy designed into the platform.

If the spies are on a world without organics farms, it should be impossible to sabotage organics production.
Without a spaceyard or resupply depot, it should be similarily impossible to plant bombs on ships.

[Spoo]

Without a spaceyard or resupply depot, it should be similarily impossible to plant bombs on ships.

Why couldn't the spy be one of the ship's crew?

[Parasite]

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
Space Empires V Intel Suggestions:
(DRAFT)

I would like a way to spend all of the generated intel of an empire. If you have more than 1.2 Million in Intel, all you can do is 12 Planet captures. Max. (Note this limit should be raised because Conter Intel does cost more than 100K, but you get the idea.)

[Suicide Junkie]

Originally posted by Spoo:

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Without a spaceyard or resupply depot, it should be similarily impossible to plant bombs on ships.

Why couldn't the spy be one of the ship's crew?

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Because the spy is on the planet.

Getting them assigned to an enemy ship would be a good project, and from there, you could do more projects, such as reporting the ships's location/damage and transmitting what the ship can see.

[ May 07, 2004, 22:43: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

[bearclaw]

I don't know if this would be too advanced or not (in terms of micromanagment) but what if Intel was removed from the research queue entirely. Instead, you would have an Intel screen, similar to the research screen. On it would be various Intel projects and/or training and/or agents. Intel points would be spent like research points. Various options would only become possible when you're agents were in position.

Each level of each Intel Project would increase your chance of success for instance. Before something like a Ship Bomb could be planted, you would have to use Intel points to get an agent in position on an enemy planet. The more agents on enemy planets, the higher the chance of success as you would have agents more likely to encounter the target ship.

Something like Crew Insurrection would require X agents in ship N crew manafest before you could even attempt it. PPP would require X(planet size) agents and perhaps some other planet specific projects to succeed before being attempted.

Don't know if I explained this very well. I hope I did because I think this would over come a lot of the comments about Cre Insurrections and PPP's being too easy. It would become a process instead. It would also seperate Intel from Research. So better Intel facilites or Training facilites would be a factor of Intel points rather than Research points. As would skill in certain Intel Projects. You could have an empire who's focus has been on Ship Bombs to the point that they are experts at it but suck at gathering Intel. It would also add another dimention to what empires could interact for. The Ship Bomb expert could be hired out to bomb for others for instance.

Intel points would have to be generated from the very beginning of the game rather than the way they are now, though, which makes more sense to me. Our planet may not have many Intel Facilities but I'm sure there are some that would qualify.

Wow. That turned out longer than I planned

[Stone Mill]

Suicide Junkie and Parasite,

Thank you. I rolled your suggestions into my original post.

Bearclaw,
Your idea sounds quite interesting. However, it sounds like it's the beginning of an entirely new and complex model... perhaps I'll add it as an addendum as an idea for a different model?

By all means if anyone has any ideas on improving the model I propose... or proposing any models of their own, please do. Or if their are any great ideas I missed from a previous thread...

[Baron Munchausen]

Interesting proposal, but lacking in one crucial aspect -- politics! There should be influences from the state of 'unrest' on each planet, the species inhabiting the planet (if it's your 'original' race or a conquered species or a species representing another uncounquered empire!), and the dominant species of the empire attempting the intel operation. Essentially, both individual planets and 'species' will have unrest or loyalty Ratings. Not only can a given planet be in an unfavorable 'mood' and make intel operations more likely to succeed, but an entire species of an opposing empire could also be in an unfavorable mood and highly disposed to aid enemy intel operations. Planets inhabited by your original race would tend to be more loyal and so more difficult to carry out intel operations on, of course.

Implementing this properly requires some unrest 'modifiers' based on the relations of your empire to the 'original' empire of the race(s) on your controlled planets, and level of unrest for other reasons, and how you deal with it (fix conditions causing unrest or just land troops?) and a few other such things.

Combine this with some modifications to the way troops affect a planet -- first a slight reduction in the chance of intel sucess per troop, capped at some reasonable level so you can't make completely immune planets by piling on hundreds of troops, and second that troops should remain loyal when a planet rebels and attempt to put down the rebellion (fight the militia essentially), and you've got some really interesting situations possible.