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[Renegade 13]

No you don't end up with the same space. You end up with a greater volume of space. Although, space is considered to be continually expanding, so that volume of space is also proportionately increasing.

[Kamog]

Well, space is expanding in the sense that the galaxies are moving away from each other and therefore matter is spreading out. We don't know whether the empty space itself is expanding or not, right?

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Renegade 13:
No you don't end up with the same space. You end up with a greater volume of space. Although, space is considered to be continually expanding, so that volume of space is also proportionately increasing.

That was relying on the assumption that space, like 0, is an infinite set...

[dogscoff]

Fyron starts sounding, like, all spaced out... man..:

Space is nothing. It is empty... space ... It is the same sort of nothing that the volume inside a box is...The universe is contained inside space... No apples and no oranges. Zero. And like zero, if you add more space to the space you have, you still just get the same space. Both are infinite in size.

Maybe I'm misreading you or misinterptetting your terminology and I'll just be re-iterating what you just said, but I think i may have to disagree with you here.

As my very limited pop-science oft string theory has it, even a total, absolute vacuum is still made of something. String, probably, hence the silly name of the theory. Anyway, you could imagine that vacuum as a variable with the value of zero mass, which is still a value.

However whatever lies beyond the edges of the universe would not even be made up of string (or whatever that theory was on about) and might therefore be more properly described as a variable with 'null' value- or maybe just not a variable at all.

Now pass me whatever you been smoking F, I want me some 'o that...

[ May 20, 2004, 13:10: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Space is nothing. It is empty... space. Yeah... anyways, it is merely the extension of 3 dimensions. It is volume, but that is all. It is the same sort of nothing that the volume inside a box is. I do not mean nothing as in it doesn't exist, just that it is the void in which other things are contained. It is not really something by itself.

The universe is contained inside space. Space is nothing exactly like zero is nothing. No apples and no oranges. Zero. And like zero, if you add more space to the space you have, you still just get the same space. Both are infinite in size.

I like this anaolgy. Think of the universe as a box. The galaxies and other matter are things in the box. Space is the volume around and between all the stuff. But just like the box, the universe is finite.

Your anaology and the conclusion you derive from it are contradictory. Because the universe is NOT contained inside space. Space is contained inside the universe. Outside of the box(universe) is not more space, because space is inside the box.

[Fyron]

The matter of the universe is indeed contained inside space. Space is infinite. The universe is not. The space was there before the big bang that lead to the universe as it is now... How do you think the universe is able to expand? It must expand into something that is there. Such as empty space...

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Originally posted by Renegade 13:
No you don't end up with the same space. You end up with a greater volume of space. Although, space is considered to be continually expanding, so that volume of space is also proportionately increasing.

That was relying on the assumption that space, like 0, is an infinite set...

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