Completely OT : Cannes, Mickael Moore and the Iraq War

[Grauzone]

Originally posted by primitive:

Do you mean to imply that lying, stealing, corruption, torture and random killing of people with different skintone or creed is not American culture. Now I'm getting confused.

if you talking in this way, you can append norway very fast to the axis of evil. be carefully with your words

[spoon]

There was a good article on slashdot today about Moore: Slashdot

Here are three links from the slashdot discussion:

bowling for columbine criticism

Moore's response to criticisms

Direct response to Bowling criticism

[Gandalf Parker]

Definetly be careful with words. This thread could be in in danger.

[primitive]

Originally posted by Grauzone:

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if you talking in this way, you can append norway very fast to the axis of evil. be carefully with your words

Ssssh,
Don't give Bush any fancy ideas. There are too many implications already.

We got the oil, we got a religious leader as head of goverment (a priest) and we don't show anyone any WMD's so we must be hiding them.

GP:
Don't worry

[Slynky]

I think Rex makes a good point that the French didn't give the award. Of course, as I allow for American "private agendas", I will allow for the fact that foreign countries voted for this film in order to further their private agenda...make America look bad. Obviously, it's a political film and votes could surely be cast accordingly.

I'm not here to say America is perfect and other countries are full of faults. I believe all countries spin things the way they want them based (in part) on how it helps themselves.

I think, and I'm glad I'm in a country where I am allowed to, that enough of the movie is based on fact to allow the rest of the movie to draw conclusions and make "suggestions".

As to the war? The US public was "bombarded" with B&W photos of all the places where WMDs were located...yet, when we got there, nothing could be found. I wonder, being of a free mind, if I was lied to (to gain public support) or if Iraq was really great at hiding all of them.

Problem is, a lot of people in the US haven't had the opportunity to work in the classified areas I have worked in. Even working in the government is enough to give one a glimpse of how facts get distorted.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Moore is a jerk and only the French would give him an award for an anti-Bush movie.

If Moore was this great documentary film maker, then why doen't he do a movie on things other than what he has done them on? Simple, he is a jerk out to cause as much controversy as his warped mind can produce.

The guy is a jerk, and obviously Disney thought so to.

I say it again. Moore is a jerk who feeds off of causing controversy with half truths, speculation, and out right lies. He bends the truth, fact, and situations to his own twisted view. I do not believe him. Moore is leech and he always will be!

[AMF]

The eternal wonder of the closed mind: When one makes up one's mind about something beforehand, why consult data?

Here is list of all the films that have been awarded a Palme d'Or since 1946:

http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/...Film_Festival/

I haven't seen all of the american ones, and certainly not many of the foreign ones, but the only one I have seen that might be said to have an "anti-US" bias would be Apocalypse Now in 1979. But, really, that's a stretch - it's more of an anti-war/"how nasty is human nature" movie. The Lars von Trier one (Dancer in the Dark) might also qualify as "anti-american" but from what I know he's more of a commentator on human nature too.

Elephant (2003)
Pianist, The (2002)
Dancer in the Dark (2000)
Secrets & Lies (1996)
Underground (1995)
Pulp Fiction (1994)
Piano, The (1993)
Barton Fink (1991)
Wild at Heart (1990)
Sex, Lies, and Videotape (1989)
Mission, The (1986)
Paris, Texas (1984)
All That Jazz (1979)
Apocalypse Now (1979)
Taxi Driver (1976)
Conversation, The (1974)
MASH (1970)

etc....

Now, as an admitted amateur and not running the statistics, I would hazard a guess to say that when the french pick english language movies for a golden palm they pick ones that get at human nature, the nature of violence or relationships, and...pianos.

But that's just me. Perhaps I;m wrong. But in any case, making up one's mind before looking at data is only useful if one is not willing to have one;s mind changed. In which case, conversation or debate is likewise pointless.

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Basically any movie that attacks the culture of America with suffient enough lies and mistruths can win a palme d'or.

This is regretable, but true.

This is a statement that is unsupportable.