Completely OT : Cannes, Mickael Moore and the Iraq War

[Atrocities]

Trooper, I laughed at the Little Boy comment.

Can we all agree to dissagree over this? I say Moore is a FB out to pollute the gene pool and currupt the people of other countries with his warped missleading films.

You say he is great and is the next best thing to Jesus the world has ever seen.

On this we should agree to disagree.

Peace is good.

[ May 24, 2004, 17:03: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Grauzone]

Originally posted by alarikf:
Forgive the rant, but ...

apart from that there are long term economicaly harms coused by the actual goverment of the USA to your country: in Last years the number of scientific publications, awards and patent registration falls back (there are many reasons for this fact founded on failures in politics). if this trend won't broken in next few years USA are not longer the technological precursor as in Last decades. this fact combined with a HUGE military budget that grows in same time ...

think on Soviet Union collapse. i see parallels in long term.

[Unknown_Enemy]

Alarikf, today you've earned my respect. It is not worth much, but it is the most important thing I can give you via internet.

Atrocities, I agree to disagree !
But well, surprisingly few people try to understand another country by reading their press or just looking at their side of the hill. I constantly fend off affirmations of the like "all americans are bush lovers who hate france", so when I find a generalisation such as "French and those who love to hate America" I find it a bit depressing.

[Master Belisarius]

Alarikf: hey, I can remember your first Posts, when you still was in Iraq!

Your post was the first one after many weeks reading here OT Posts about politics, that I felt moved to write something.

Although you lose friends during the terrorist attacks to the Pentagon, and you was in Iraq during the first weeks of the operation to remove Saddam, still you're cold enough to think using your mind and not your heart.
You're a good example to show that the cliches are just cliches (I'm so tired to hear here in Uruguay, the people saying that the Americans doesn't think and believe every lie the govern say).

Time in time (not very often, must say), I have the absurd feeling that the mankind has some hope. You offered to me one of these rare moments, then, just want to finish saying THANK YOU!

[trooper]

Originally posted by Atrocities:

You say he is great and is the next best thing to Jesus the world has ever seen.

Never told that, I've only repeated what I've read about those movies in the news, and thought it was a good opportunity to argue -hummm... discuss.

I still have to see "bowling for columbine" and of course "Farenheit 9/11" to have a personnal opinion about all that. Needless to say that I'll keep a critical eye on those documentaries, as many people say Moore's arguments are often weak.


Alarikf : Nothing more to add to your opinion, brilliant post...
PS : Have any news of Ragnarok ? We're waiting for his turns in SE 101 for quite a long time now...

[ May 25, 2004, 07:51: Message edited by: trooper ]

[Atrocities]

I was figuratively speaking when I said "You say."

Moores documentaries are not weak, they just lack honesty and leave no room for counter point or clarification of the actual facts he presents. He does this on purpose to cause controversay.

You can either buy into his propaganda or understand it for what it is, one mans attempt at making money off the backs of people who enjoy being fed a diet of BS.

There are two camps on this topic and frankly I will not budge on my opinion of the man or his work. I respect everyones opinion on the topic, and I know that I often make rash statements about topics that get under my skin such as this one has.

I don't hate the French, in fact I envy them. I hate the fact that Moore has fooled so many people, including here in the US, into believing that his Documentary is fair and unbyassed when it is not. I cannot help but feel helpless at the fact that so many people have bought into his propaganda and have even felt it warrented a distinguished award.

Politics should never play into the giving of an award and that too really angers me. If Moore had done a movie on Clinton I still would say what I am saying now, its all one sided and full of BS.

So if I have offended any french person, I am deeply sorry. I know now that many French folks think the same of Mr. Moore as many Americans do. He is just a film maker out to make a buck.

As much as I dislike the man, he is at least doing what he likes to do. How many of us can say that?

[ May 25, 2004, 19:23: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Atrocities]

Well said alarikf. Well said.