OT: The Passion of the Christ movie

Atrocities · #1 May 25th, 2004, 08:59 PM

Discussion and debate are healthy ways of communicating. It becomes unhealthy when we stop talking and start shooting one another.

I don't know about many of you, but for me it is the occational angry and heated debates that spice up the forum and keep me interested.

Honestly if we did not all share our own thoughts on a subject, thoughts from around the world, then how informed are we in the end?

I like to think that I am a better person in some respects because I know that I can come here and read poeples Posts who are from other parts of the world and share a differant view of world topics than I.

I count my self damn lucky to be a member in this forum with you people.

Jack Simth · #2 May 25th, 2004, 11:15 PM

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As long as the religion does not seek to impose its view/tenants/MO on people through force but by choice, then its fine. I may think its wrong but, that is my choice.

Slight problem ... civilization is based upon some group imposing and enforcing some portion of their beliefs on others - else, on what basis can you hunt down a murderer? Sure, he's a murder by YOUR views (and perhaps the views of a very large number of people/large percentage of the population) but it is quite possible that in his views, it is quite reasonable to kill someone over what the rest of us would consider something minor. But if you hunt him down for it, you are effectively forcing your set of rules on him, no?

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But when you get to the point of saying "if you don't follow our religion you will be punished" THEN I have a problem with it. Because you are now moving from the tenants of FAITH to a political system based on a belief.

All political systems are based on a belief of some sort - not necessarily in a diety of any kind, but in some belief - Capitalism is based on the belief that greed can be harnessed for the good of most; Socialism is based on the belief that people are responsible enough to work towards the common good without a "large" rewards system; Democracy is based on the belief that the masses can, on average, make good policy decisions; Despotism is based on the belief that one strong leader will run things best (although "best" is subject to interpertation - in many instances, that becomes "best ... for the despot").

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You might cloak your politics in religious vestments but, its still POLITICAL and has NOTHING to do with faith.

That's true of many portions of politics, such as recource allocations, contract-enforcement strategies, road routes, economic planning, et cetera; I can't agree with it on such things as the definition of person for use in determining whether a given action is murder or not.

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How can I say that? Because faith has nothing to do with the machanics of religion, it is a personal belief and therefore, can not be forced, imposed or directed from outside in any way. Faith ALWAYS comes from within to the without.

Religion ALWAYS comes from without to the within.

In which Category would you put ethics (e.g., the commandments "Thou Shalt Not Murder" and "Thou Shalt Not Steal")?

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When this makes it where you begin to try to impose your ways on others, then you have crossed the line from faith to religion. At that point, you have become the enemy of everyone including those of the faith you profess because you have now become a threat to others whereas before, you were no threat to others at all.

It is when people become a threat that action MUST be taken to remove that threat.

And yet, you would impose a portion of your own views on others, which could be paraphrased as: "Don't impose your own views on others." That seems a little contradictory. But maybe that's just me.

Atrocities · #3 May 26th, 2004, 12:55 AM

So is this movie worth seeing or should we just wait until its on DVD and rent it?

Renegade 13 · #4 May 26th, 2004, 01:51 AM

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We at the SEIV forum have traveld the OT road before and with much more heat. All the people that went on this road are still here and still talking to one another so I see no need to cut this one road short.

"With much more heat" ?? That's possible??

And I have one request: I've noticed a couple of Posts have been edited by a moderator. Now, I didn't see them before they were edited, and I probably wouldn't have been offended even if I had read them. But I'd just like this to be a civilized conversation, so please don't post stuff that might be taken in an unintended way, or offensive subject matter. Like I said, it doesn't bother me, but it might bother some people.

As some other's would say, just my $0.02

TerranC · #5 May 26th, 2004, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by Mephisto:
We at the SEIV forum have traveld the OT road before and with much more heat. All the people that went on this road are still here and still talking to one another so I see no need to cut this one road short.

"With much more heat" ?? That's possible??

Do a search on Iraq. You'll see what he's talking about then.

Gandalf Parker · #6 May 26th, 2004, 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by Mephisto:
We at the SEIV forum have traveld the OT road before and with much more heat. All the people that went on this road are still here and still talking to one another so I see no need to cut this one road short.

"With much more heat" ?? That's possible??

Do a search on Iraq. You'll see what he's talking about then.

What has gone on in the past is up for change. Shrapnel is beginning to take an interest in the Boards. Everything has its pros and cons, including shrapnels interest.

solops · #7 May 26th, 2004, 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
So is this movie worth seeing or should we just wait until its on DVD and rent it?

If you are not a Christian then don't bother. It would likely have little meaning or virtue.

If you are a Christian then you MIGHT want to see it. My Sunday school class went to see it. 12 people came away with twelve completely different experiences, ranging from "what an aweful bloodbath" to "sublime". I found it well done and deeply moving in many ways...and I never want to see it again.