Would You Consider This A Backstab?

AMF · #1 July 16th, 2004, 05:45 PM

Absolutely true - diplomatic history is replete with cases where nations relied upon such tactics.

However, even more telling is that "time will tell"

And, of course, the reality of realpolitik inherently demands that no single power would likely relenquish their right to self-defense or their soveriegn right to wage war. Hobbesian world, and all that. So, I would say no power would ever likely "preclude future combatoperations to support [their] allies." WHo would ally with such a power? Not me, certainly. Trust is worth more than a thousand dreadnoughts.

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Originally posted by clark:
Ya know, the greatest way to start a war you didn't "want" is to create something of a diplomatic blunder...

Here is the rather telling part, no?

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So, I don't preclude future combatoperations to support my allies.

Anyways, this is all sort of fun to air one's ditziness. For the record, it was NOT me that was being referred to in the first post...

Slynky · #2 July 16th, 2004, 06:40 PM

When I get home tonight and get to take a longer look, I'll be able to be positive who did it. If it's alarikf, we've already talked. If someone else, then it's a new story.

rdouglass · #3 July 16th, 2004, 08:27 PM

Could it have possibly been an enemy closing it from the other side? (one of those aforementioned diplomatic blunder - accusing your ally of what your enemy did...)

The enemy may be sitting back gleefully reading this topic watching the alliance fall apart.

Slynky · #4 July 16th, 2004, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by rdouglass:
Could it have possibly been an enemy closing it from the other side? (one of those aforementioned diplomatic blunder - accusing your ally of what your enemy did...)

The enemy may be sitting back gleefully reading this topic watching the alliance fall apart.

I checked the obvious places quickly. There were no large fleets around...but I didn't look for a lone ship (or 2). Of course, it would be unusual for someone to move a stellar manipulation ship into enemy territory without adequate escort

. So, without having a chance to look closer (I looked over the turn quickly Last night at bed time), the prevailing assumption is that it was an ally.

clark · #5 July 16th, 2004, 08:48 PM

Well, one, can you see cloaked ships?

and two, are you sure the warp point wasn't closed on the opposite end (the receiving system)? Or was it closed in your space?

Slynky · #6 July 16th, 2004, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by clark:
Well, one, can you see cloaked ships?

and two, are you sure the warp point wasn't closed on the opposite end (the receiving system)? Or was it closed in your space?

Cloaked ships can't activate stellar manip, so, if it moved into place cloaked (Last turn) and then uncloaked and did the closure, I will be able to check to see a ship leaving on turn rerun. I'll just have to do it for the other end of the hole to see. Right now, I'm not even sure which warphole it was (there were 5 there, I think). I have optic sats in every system. AND, in this game, the stellar device must be on a frigate. That doesn't leave much room for a 30Kt Stealth component

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Slynky · #7 July 17th, 2004, 07:16 PM

I need to post an update to this thread since I've had time to sort out the details of what happened:

Most of all, in case I damaged anyone's reputation, I want to set that straight.

The 2 possibilities of who closed the hole has been determined to be alarikf (who acted in a way that he thought was beneficial to me). We have discussed the matter and there is no rift in our alliance.

The other possibility that I alluded to was AtomSmasher (atari eric). In case anyone else wondered if he had been the person who closed the hole because I mentioned his fleet and a ship named, "Vaccuum", I want to make sure everyone knows this was NOT the case. His fleet is helping guard an important point for me (for the time being...he may decide to move it).

So, my apology to both of them for my suspicions!