PBW PvK Proportions Game #2

[PvK]

Posting to update status here. I'm a bit behind schedule. I've made a bunch of new stuff, hopefully all likable. I have a bit more to do before it is ready to run, so I need to keep myself from doing more and more. I have too long a list of things I'd like to do, but it takes much longer than I'd like to actually get the right numbers figured out and entered.

To throw out a bone, here is what I've done so far:

code:

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Version 3.0:



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  New Additions:

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* Added a 250 kT warship hull, called Frigate. Old Frigate renamed Corvette.

* Added a 350 kT Heavy Destroyer.

* Added a 600 kT Heavy Cruiser.

* Added a 1300 kT Heavy Dreadnought.

* Added an Express Transport (uses Tiny Transport graphic).

* Added a Huge Troop.

* Added a Large Space Station (1000 kT).

* Added a 2500 kT Large Battle Station (uses War Station graphic).

* Added a Large Starbase (3000 kT).

* Added a Massive Starbase (5000 kT).

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  Gameplay Changes:

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* Reduced costs of armored plating.

* Added boarding defense strength to bridge components.

* Fleshed out Crew Quarters components with levels and abilities.

* Reduced combat penalties of computer control components.

* Extended Master Computers to tech level 10.

* Branched and extended Organic Armor technology into two types.

* Increased costs of higher-tech Gestation Vats, Medical Labs,

  Climate Control Facilities, Events Predictors, Temporal Vacation 

  Services, Training Facilities, Crystalline Restructuring Plants, 

  Energy Transmission Lenses, Resource Storage, Cargo Facilities, 

  Mineral Scanners, Eco - Farms, Radioactives Colliders, Robotoid 

  Factories, Computer Complexes, Citizen Databanks, Shrines, Resource 

  Converters, and Ultra - Recyclers.

* Increased unhappiness from Citizen Databanks.

* Reduced effect and massively increased costs of Replicant Centers.

* Added an unhappiness effect to Replicant Centers.

* Added five more levels of Planetary Gravitational Shield Facilities

  and four more levels of System Gravitational Shield Facilities and a 

  new tech area for them, making them available much earlier but at a 

  steep price.

* Massively increased costs of Value Improvement Plants and Atmospheric 

  Modification Plants.

* Slowed the effect of Atmospheric Modification Plants.

* Per Dogscoff's suggestion, made Resource Converters require Physics

  and Biology as well as Chemistry. Also made it a deeper tree that

  starts out less efficiently.

* Also per Dogscoff's suggestion, added Construction as a requirement

  for Ultra - Recyclers.

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  Construction Yard Changes:

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* Reduced organic construction rate of ship/base spaceyards by 9/10.

* Reduced radioactives construction rate of ship/base spaceyards by half.

* Added base spaceyards (Orbital Space Yard Facilities) with higher 

  organic construction rates, but these have high organics costs.

* Increased organics costs of colony modules from 2000 to 6000. This

  doesn't change their construction rate much except on the new ship-based

  spaceyards. This makes it impractical to use space-yard ships to

  build colony ships at or near their destinations, instead of having

  to send colony ships long distances under their own power.

* Extended Ship Yard facilities and components to 15 levels each.

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  Economic Changes:

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* Raised infantry and crewed unit organics costs from 0-10 to ~25-35.

* Added 1 rad cost per kT tonnage to mechanical ground units.

* Added org costs to crew quarters.

* Added rad costs to bridge components.

* Added rad and increased other costs to Weapon Platform Command Centers.

* Increased capacity of Resource Storage facilities.

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  Cosmetic:

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* Added some new system names.

* Removed all the now-unneeded Inaccessible Technology leftovers.

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Stuff I really wanted to do, but haven't gotten to yet, include:

* Adjusting the starting empire costs.
* Reworking fighters at least a bit.
* Reworking mines at least a bit.

PvK

[Fyron]

* Added an unhappiness effect to Replicant Centers.

What sort of unhappiness effect? Build a UPC with ability 1, and it completely cancels out a negative happiness ability in the system... EDIT: Ok scratch that... upon testing, it seems as the abilities are working correctly in 1.91. Been a while since I played around with them... They (two facilities with planet happiness ability) even seem to be stacking now! Just make sure to note that a negative value for Planet - Change Population Happiness decreases anger levels and a postive value increases anger levels, which is exactly opposite of the system happiness ability.

* Increased organics costs of colony modules from 2000 to 6000. This
doesn't change their construction rate much except on the new ship-based
spaceyards. This makes it impractical to use space-yard ships to
build colony ships at or near their destinations, instead of having
to send colony ships long distances under their own power.

Ah...

[ August 04, 2004, 00:33: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[AMF]

That all sounds sensible to me. Did you come to a decision on the space-borne resource generation ideas?

[PvK]

Thanks for the tip about the backwards happiness values, Fyron!

AlarikF, no, I have a sketch for the extraplanetary generators, but I haven't gotten to them yet. I figure I should do what I need to for a good stable Version to start the proposed game with, or else I'll be adding stuff for a long time without starting the game.

PvK

[Fyron]

Further info. A negative value for the ability Change Population Happiness - System never works. Only the planet one can cause anger to rise.

[AMF]

yeah, I agree that for a change that could have far-reaching consequences, stability & testing are important...yet they remain an intriguing idea, and one that would likely not be viable until one reaches moderate levels of tech. Might I humbly suggest then that you have whatever placeholders you need to allow the players in the game to upgrade to a new Proportions mod that has them implemented once they are stable and tested sufficiently? Ie: players probably won't have them available for a while *anyways* so make the game "upgradeable" so the mod with the extraplanetary generators and the game can dovetail? Did that make sense? (and, I hope this doesn't sound like "preaching" - heck, I wouldn't know my ar** end around modding, and nobody likes a smarta**, so please do take this as a suggestion from an ardent fan of the mod...)

Meeps!

Alarik

Originally posted by PvK:
AlarikF, no, I have a sketch for the extraplanetary generators, but I haven't gotten to them yet. I figure I should do what I need to for a good stable Version to start the proposed game with, or else I'll be adding stuff for a long time without starting the game.

PvK

[PvK]

Thanks again Fyron, and yeah, sigh, ah well, at least one of the two values works backwards. I think maybe I tested that way back when I put the planet unhappiness on the system fac in the older Version, and then like so many details, I forgot it. Of course, lots of little things changed with each Version of the game, so it's really nice to have a current report about it.

AlarikF, yes, it will be possible to add some things as the game goes on, as long as the players agree to add them.

PvK