Making mods for Dominions II. [Basic editing/modding discussion.]

[Pocus]

Originally posted by PDF:

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Originally posted by Nerfix:
Rigth.
I would have never believed that Pocus will also go so deep that he will make map featuring Elves with ungodly stats.

I hate mods because they are always made by some wannabe-game-developper-1337's who can't even alphatest their mods, make half-assed, unbalanced changes, add some buggy extra sprites, and behave like kings of the world after they have finished their "great project".

No, that's not true in all cases : some MTW mods, EU1-2 mods, HoI Mods, SE4 mods, AOW mods, EFS mods, SPWaW mods, CC mods, and undoubtly other I either don't know of or have forgotten, are indeed BETTER than the vanilla game (and sometimes many times so) !
And I only talk about "rules" mods, many other games just benefit for additionnal/redone artwork.

Anyway noone forces anyone to use mods : you don't like them, then ignore them.
Mod-lovers/Modders just want to be able to mod, why bash them for it ? Illwinter will decide what openness they put in the game, it's pointless and somewhat trollish/stupid to ask for no moddability...

Edit : didn't read all of Nerfix' post before replying, Nerfix quit also ... Sad 'cause he was Dom2 betatester, a real fan and veteran, and had insights and ideas, but he was maybe somewhat too much intolerant...

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Nerfix : Your problem lie in Tolkien stories then. What does it bother you that Elven Lords are so powerful? They are being directly created by a god. I suppose the whole heroic fantasy them bother you then. Why you would accept more the existence of powerful demons, and not elves then?
so in essence, mocking at the power of elves, dwarves, whatever, is totally illogical for a guy which like heroic fantasy like you do.

[Nerfix]

Perhaps because i have this huge pentagram in my basement...


And as far as my knowledge goes, Elves are just mortals. Well, immortals, but i think they
can be killed, even though i don't remember that any Elves would die in World's Offical Tar-Drinking Boo...errrr... I mean LoTR.

And as far as i know, i'm not a "heroic fantasy guy".

[ September 28, 2003, 08:11: Message edited by: Nerfix ]

[Aristoteles]

Who cares, that what is Nerfix's problem? Frankly, I don't.
Why the heck is he still posting in this topic?
Mindless person.

[Nerfix]

What is your problem?
Can't you accept that some people dislike mods, LoTR and the combination of those two?

And i don't care about your problems either. "Bad" GFX and lack of modding are the two most pathetic things to whine about, especialy if the game is as good game as Dominions II is.

[ September 28, 2003, 09:24: Message edited by: Nerfix ]

[Kristoffer O]

What is it with you two?

As a developer I am more interested in hearing the pros and cons of modding than hearing insults and accusations. Please, try to be civil.

[Mortifer]

Stop flaming! I must admit one thing. Nerfix had no points, that why modding is bad. He don't like it. Period.
Nerfix, if you cannot post anything constructive here, than please stop visiting this thread. Aristoteles is right about this. You told us 10 times that you don't like modding. We know it, you don't have to worry.

Kristoffer - You heard lot of opinions that why modding is good, I don't think that we need more examples.

Why modding is good? Let's see:

- Giving a long life to the games. [Example civ3.]
- More diversity
- Creative, good, enjoyable mods are making the game LOT more fun
- You can make your own little word, you arent forced the play in the original game world
- No limits, do what you want! Release your mod to the public, discuss about it with the others, let others to help you making it even better, or just keep it yourself! All is up to you.
- Balance what you want. You dont like something? Change it! Why not?

Lot of pros! If someone will release a bad mod, what is the problem with that? You download it, try it out...if its bad you can deleting, or just make comments/suggestions about it, that what should be fixed/updated.
Modding is giving the biggest fun for gaming communities. That is no question.

If there are players, like Nerfix, who dont like the mods, why is that a problem at all? They wont download and play mods, big deal. That isnt the modders problem.

[ September 28, 2003, 10:59: Message edited by: Mortifer ]

[Nerfix]

Illwinter, do you realy want to see your game, the fruit of your hard work being raped just like that? It is your game, you don't need to give up to all these mod-dudez.
For the cons of modding:
-They make the life of MP players hard, and Dominions II is all about multiplaying
-Do you need mods? I understand mods that fix balance issues IF the developpers themselves don't want to fix them. A well balanced game doesn't need mods that would fix balance issues.
-It is their game, not yours. Make your own games if you don't like Dominions II!

I could actualy use mods if they would offer me something, like negleted balance fixes because the developpers "have worked almost 4 hours per day with this game!!!". IMHO, Dominions II doesn't need mods, if you are unhappy with Dominions II, make your own game, and that making non-modable games is a show of willpower and courage in these days of warez,haxors and modz.
If you keep the game un-modable, i'll be very proud of you. But it is your game, the result of your hard work, you can do anything with it.