Noob questions!

[MStavros]

Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:

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Originally posted by licker:
Its all in how the payoff is set up...

I don't really like any of your suggestions. For me Dominions is primarily a multiplayer wargame, the arena contest is fun but I can ignore it if I want, and I want it to remain so.

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For you. I prefer singleplayer & modding, over multiplayer.

Lot of players are preferring the singleplayer part & modding, so the arena fight must be fixed. The biggest problem is the AI abusing.

I think removing the items in arena fights is a good idea, but as Mortifer said, maybe if some items won't be allowed, that should do it too.
Just do not allow 'AI abuse' items. You know what items I meant, I am sure.

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:
I don't really like any of your suggestions. For me Dominions is primarily a multiplayer wargame, the arena contest is fun but I can ignore it if I want, and I want it to remain so.

I agree with Något Gick Fel on this one. The arena is just intended as an amusing detail. Making the arena victory more rewarding or penalising people not participating would shift focus away from the core of the game, if either of the above where implemented it would force players into maximising a super combatant. I think it is better to keep it the way it is.

[MStavros]

Originally posted by johan osterman:

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Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:
I don't really like any of your suggestions. For me Dominions is primarily a multiplayer wargame, the arena contest is fun but I can ignore it if I want, and I want it to remain so.

I agree with Något Gick Fel on this one. The arena is just intended as an amusing detail. Making the arena victory more rewarding or penalising people not participating would shift focus away from the core of the game, if either of the above where implemented it would force players into maximising a super combatant. I think it is better to keep it the way it is.

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Johan, let me ask you a question. Why do you support cheating? In singleplayer, the AI can be abused totally in the Arena fights.
Illwinter must fix this, since this is the most annoying cheat in Dominions I.
It is working in multiplayer, since you cannot abuse anything, but in singleplayer it is a bad part of the game, and only because the AI abusing.

It can be fixed. We told you some ideas, that how to fix it, you should think about it.
Please do not forget that we have lot of players who prefer the singleplayer part of the game.

I see 2 ways, that how to fix the singleplayer Arena AI abusing:

-Do not allow items in the arena
-Do not allow 'abuse items' in the arena, so items like a flaming sword should be allowed for example, but items with curse etc. shouldnt be allowed.etc..

(-In fact, if Doms would be a multiplayer game only, I wouldnt even buy it, since I do not really like multiplayer in any games. [Especially not in strategy games.]-)

The Arena fight is very good part of the game, but it must be fixed. Please support the offline players as well.

[ October 09, 2003, 12:54: Message edited by: MStavros ]

[Pocus]

It is obious that IW cant spend too much time on every minute feature of the game, so I propose we drop this dicussion. The issues are :

- in MP : no issue, nobody will use the arena.
- in SP : if the player want to cheat the AI he is playing against, then he can send a trapped commander. If it amuses him to play fairly, then he can send a normal commander.

Anyway, the arena concept of Illwinter is not to have a nice place where you can earn nice toys, its just a secondary (or tertiary) feature which will remain as it is, for the best or the worst of the game.

[Truper]

Amen. It seems we have a lot of posters desperate to make mountains out of molehills.

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by MStavros:Johan, let me ask you a question. Why do you support cheating? In singleplayer, the AI can be abused totally in the Arena fights.
Illwinter must fix this, since this is the most annoying cheat in Dominions I.
It is working in multiplayer, since you cannot abuse anything, but in singleplayer it is a bad part of the game, and only because the AI abusing.

It can be fixed. We told you some ideas, that how to fix it, you should think about it.
Please do not forget that we have lot of players who prefer the singleplayer part of the game.

I see 2 ways, that how to fix the singleplayer Arena AI abusing:

-Do not allow items in the arena
-Do not allow 'abuse items' in the arena, so items like a flaming sword should be allowed for example, but items with curse etc. shouldnt be allowed.etc..

(-In fact, if Doms would be a multiplayer game only, I wouldnt even buy it, since I do not really like multiplayer in any games. [Especially not in strategy games.]-)

The Arena fight is very good part of the game, but it must be fixed. Please support the offline players as well.

I doubt we will see eye to eye on this, but I do not agree the AI can be "abused totally" in SP. Nor do I think cheating is applicable unless you play multi player, if you 'cheat' against an AI the only person you might potentionally hurt is yourself.

You can at most screw with one of the AI players, since if you die you turn over your items or some of them to the AI, if you win there isnt a problem. You can only die once. So you can only give your items to one AI. This AI player might not even have sent a particularily valuable commander, it is not like it allways sends Pretenders in fact the AI does this in less than 25% of the cases even if it has a combat pretender. Even if you do land a cursed item on the opposite pretender this doesn't affect the AI in a big way, an AI is not clever enough to plan to use any of its particular units in a well thought through way. A cursed item might slightly dent its abilities but it will not affect it in a major way. And chances are that your cursed item ends up on a ordinary semi powerful commander like a Traitor Prince or Cataphract Commander. In which case the forging of the item probably has cost you more than it has cost your opponent AI.

So:
1: Cheating against the AI is moronic. You can allway choose not to do it. No one is hurt but you.
2: Even if you do consider sending cursed items to the arena cheating. You can only do this to one AI player in an event that occurs perhaps one or two times a game.
3: Even if you do consider sending cursed items to the arena cheating, the chance that it will end up on an AI pretender or similar powerfull unit is not particularily high.
4: Even if you do consider sending cursed items to the arena cheating, and you do manage to pass the item on to an enemy Pretender, the actual effect of the cheat is very small.

[ October 09, 2003, 13:22: Message edited by: johan osterman ]

[Pocus]

Originally posted by Truper:
Amen. It seems we have a lot of posters desperate to make mountains out of molehills.

at least the thread was useful for me, I just learnt a new english idiom!