Niefelheim, bless and the outrageous

[Leif_-]

Originally posted by Keir Maxwell:
I really rate the water, earth, and nature bless abilites and I'm not writing the others off yet (except perhaps astral and air).

I don't know about air, but I've been having some fun experimenting with a 9 astral, 9 earth pretender for standard Pythium. The luck combined with the +4 protection and reinvigoration makes the humble battle vestals surprisingly resilent. I suspect the same would be true for the independent amazons. (Incidentally, I discovered the bless effect for death is cumulative with inherent fear rather than constant. Nightmares with Fear +4 was amusing.)

[Chris Byler]

Originally posted by Leif_-:

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Originally posted by Keir Maxwell:
I really rate the water, earth, and nature bless abilites and I'm not writing the others off yet (except perhaps astral and air).

I don't know about air, but I've been having some fun experimenting with a 9 astral, 9 earth pretender for standard Pythium. The luck combined with the +4 protection and reinvigoration makes the humble battle vestals surprisingly resilent. I suspect the same would be true for the independent amazons. (Incidentally, I discovered the bless effect for death is cumulative with inherent fear rather than constant. Nightmares with Fear +4 was amusing.)

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A question about the twist fate bless effect: if you keep recasting blessing, does it renew the twist fate so it can cancel an additional attack?

In any case, astral blessing is obviously valuable for banishable sacred troops (i.e. Knights of the Sepulchre and Tomb Wyrms), or if your opponent is using a lot of MR-based magic (e.g. nether darts - although IIRC only one Jotunheim theme gets Seithkonas now), even before you get to level 9.


Speaking of astral magic, please give the Virtue her astral magic back. If any pretender should be able to summon angelic hosts it should be her. It also made her a viable attacker with body ethereal, astral shield, personal luck, astral weapon - air isn't nearly as useful for this kind of thing.

Of course you can still buy up astral for her, but she'll be much harder to make a contender for Astral Queen with 0 starting astral than with the 3 (IIRC) she had in Dom I.

I understand wanting to have an air-specialist pretender available to most nations, but I would have preferred to see a new one instead of changing the Virtue. (Actually, I think the male Titan already fills this role pretty well, if he is available to enough nations.)

[Sammual]

Originally posted by Chris Byler:
A question about the twist fate bless effect: if you keep recasting blessing, does it renew the twist fate so it can cancel an additional attack?

If this is the case it might be the most powerfull blessing. (Not that Nature isn't already very powerfull)

Sammual

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by Sammual:

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Originally posted by Chris Byler:
A question about the twist fate bless effect: if you keep recasting blessing, does it renew the twist fate so it can cancel an additional attack?

If this is the case it might be the most powerfull blessing. (Not that Nature isn't already very powerfull)

Sammual

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It should not be the case. Should no if it isn't bugged. But I have seen no indication that it is.

[ November 05, 2003, 11:32: Message edited by: johan osterman ]

[Jasper]

Originally posted by Chris Byler:
Speaking of astral magic, please give the Virtue her astral magic back. If any pretender should be able to summon angelic hosts it should be her. It also made her a viable attacker with body ethereal, astral shield, personal luck, astral weapon - air isn't nearly as useful for this kind of thing.

I think Air is actually about as usefull. Mirror Image and Mistform are very nice, and you can still have another mage cast Body Ethereal and Luck on you.

My only regret about this is that the Virtue seems to have traded her Astral for the Female Titan's Air -- who I think was much better off with Air. Perhaps it's just me, but I don't like
expensive pretenders w/ Astral 1.