Tien Chi Conscription

[tinkthank]

Has anyone EVER seen that work, EVER?
I just tried out a T'ien game (standard theme of course) and set for Order 3 and a dominion of 7 (using Oracle).

I kept a good eye on my PD, and I never once saw it improve, ever, even with Order 3.

Is this a bug?
Or is the improvment you have been hinting at somehow... intangible? But nevertheless there?

[rabelais]

I'm not sure what the algorithm is, but I think it maxes out very quickly.

i.e. if you have more than VERY LITTLE pd the probability of an increase goes to zero

I doubt you will EVER see an increase in your home province pd, for example...

I think the ablity should be improved a little, if only to cut down on the "it's broken!!" threads....

Rabe the Draft Bored

[Arryn]

PD appears to rise slower and slower as the total PD in the province increases. The first few are pretty quick and it gets ever-slower thereafter. That said, I have seen 10 PD provinces climb to 13 over a period of 1-2 dozen turns. As I said, it's slow when you have a bunch already.

PD increase is 'flavoring', not something I'd rely upon.

EDIT: I commented on this very thing in the Ashikaga mod thread, as that mod replaces TC, and thus (inadvertently) gets the TC base nation bonuses (the mod also gets TC heroes).

[ February 15, 2004, 14:18: Message edited by: Arryn ]

[tinkthank]

Originally posted by rabelais:
I'm not sure what the algorithm is, but I think it maxes out very quickly.


I think the ablity should be improved a little, if only to cut down on the "it's broken!!" threads....

I did search before posting and posted upon this thread I found (hence did not make new "its broken" thread)

I didnt get a PD improvement in provinces with PDs of 6 or more, ever.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by tinkthank:
I didnt get a PD improvement in provinces with PDs of 6 or more, ever.

I have, with provinces at 10+, and I have the savegames to prove it, so I am positive it works.

[Gateway103]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
Wow, that's an incredibly nice ability, especially for obsessive people like me that blow their cash on defense=) I know I shouldn't, but it's always so tempting... just 1 more! =)

LOL, in my first few SP games when I am learning the rope with the Desert Eye scenario, I regularly increase PD to at least 30 for all my provinces, 50+ for provinces with castles, and up to 100 in strategic provinces & coastal provinces in late games (to keep the annoying Rlyeh in water until I can build a underwater army to wipe them out). And yes, I deliberately keep at least one AI alive so I can test all the spells, forged items, and other things. So I do have to deal with their incessant attempt to gain lands, rather than just wipe them out which could be done easily enough. So I invest in PD with all those $ sitting in my treasury for fun at the very least.

It is funny to get the message of Rlyeh attacking my coastal provinces, only to be driven back by PD. In the rare occasions where they do gain a foothold, they usually lose too many troops that they can't advance any more in the immediate future and can easily be mopped out by my army provided I can reach them before reinforcement (which is almost always the case. Or I can use "Call of Wind" if they are that depleted)

Anyway, now when I play I don't go for ridiculous PDs (is there even a limit? I know you can go 100+, never bothered to find the limit), rather than quickly mop out the AIs, but it was fun nonetheless. Seeing an Arco army of ~20 Elephants & ~100 other troops driven back my Ulmish or Pythium 100PD gives me a good laugh. ^_^ (and just before anyone say it, yes, the Pythium PD is not so great...)

-Gateway103

[Norfleet]

The Tien Chi conscription ability is pretty much meaningless, since it works so rarely that you can't really build around it as a strategy. If the increase were far more noticeable, like a 30% chance of a +1 increase per order scale, this would actually become rather neat, and probably make them a good deal more attractive: At the moment, they feel like one of the weaker nations.