Tien Chi! Sigh . . .

[Nerfix]

Having "played" the allunits game, it seems that Barbarians Kings theme gets awfuly few new units, The Khan, Barbarian Horsemen and (possibly) Master of the Dead.

I don't have the full Version yet, but i just want to bring out my opinion:

I would like to see more Barbarian units with BK Tien, Barbarian units getting pillage bonus and getting Khan heroes (insted of immortals).

Chariot troops would also fit S&A Tien.

I'm not sure how to boos the economy of S&A... If BK would get troops with pillage bonus, they could just pillage provinces.

[Keir Maxwell]

Originally posted by Nerfix:
Having "played" the allunits game, it seems that Barbarians Kings theme gets awfuly few new units, The Khan, Barbarian Horsemen and (possibly) Master of the Dead.

Master of the Dead is for Spring and Autumn to and the LC and HC of the Barbarian Kings are better value Versions of the main theme - they also lose alot troop types. I don't mind the narrow range of units as I want to focus on a mounted caste of conquerors - I just want them to work better.

I'm not sure how to boos the economy of S&A... If BK would get troops with pillage bonus, they could just pillage provinces.

This is a good idea as it fits the theme. In general Barbarian Kings should have a weak economy but get cheap mounted troops to terrorize opposition with.

New Idea:

Khans get free LC when pillaging or conquering a province based on the level of turmoil (greater the better), the amount pillaged, and the number of enemy slain. Pillaging should be what really gets this going as that shows the world that you give your troops a chance to acquire loot rather than keeping them in check and protecting the populace.

You would get a message saying "a band of warriors seeking loot has joined your Khan."

This fits the theme of econmically weak but militarily strong as the troops don't come through gold but through conquest and pillage.

A Version for Spring and Autumn would see the Chariot Noble gaining retainers (mixed would be nice) when pillaging/conquering.

Neither Barbarian Kings nor Spring and Autumn get to utilize the Tien Chi advantage of conscription based on order due to enforced turmoil so replacing conscription for them with recruiting via pillage and conquest seems to fit nicely.

Your thoughts please,

Keir

[ November 22, 2003, 00:14: Message edited by: Keir Maxwell ]

[apoger]

Pillage is just not worthwhile, even with a bonus. Too much population is slain. The only reason to pillage would be to drain population from a province that you couldn't hold.

The two alternate themes for TC are hard to play. No doubt about that. I have yet to see power that would justify the forced turmoil.

[Keir Maxwell]

Originally posted by apoger:
Pillage is just not worthwhile, even with a bonus. Too much population is slain. The only reason to pillage would be to drain population from a province that you couldn't hold.

In general I agree but from the timing of our Posts I'm assumming you didn't see the one I put up about recruitment through pillage. What do you think of that idea Alex?

My hope is that you could create an aggressive race which never really builds much of an economy and yet its armies still grow thus keeping it in the game.

Cheers

Keir

[apoger]

Ah, recruitment via pillage. Interesting.
Seems reasonable. I'd love to see that tested.

[LordArioch]

The barbarian kings seems to get slightly better cavalry for disorder 2...not good-looking to me. Spring and autumn looks interesting for the magic but loses its good cavalry units which removes most of my interest...and disorder-1 doesnt help either.

The most logical fix would be as Keir has suggested, as well as Nerfix.

Recruitment through pillaging with a reduction on the population loss and increased gold on pillaging because they were so effective.

Then they could have Turmoil in their provinces and in general it wouldn't matter since they don't require a castle to build their units outside of the Khan and elite.

If you could balance the numbers of recruitment and gold vs pillaging it would be an interesting twist on the entire theme/race.