Thoughts on New Era Pangaea

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Originally posted by Nerfix:

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Originally posted by apoger:
>• The Dryad Hoplites are way expensive

Wouldn't touch them with a 10' pole.

Sir, are you underestimating the effects of awe?

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I remember Alex saying he was unimpressed by awe in the past.

Awe is what allows pyrotechnics Phoenixes to grab early independent provinces all by themselves with a bit of Alteration and Evocation research, and it's also what allows Virtues to survive when meleing average morale troops (and in a Doms 1 MP game I had a Virtue survive a fight with 4 Hydras before she managed to enslave them).

However awe still sucks in the endgame when everybody is fielding armies of summons with 30 or 50 morale. And of course it won't help you vs Ermor and its ilk. So it's helpful, sometimes, but surely not earth-shattering.

[apoger]

>Sir, are you underestimating the effects of awe?


I wouldn't touch them with a 10' pole... after making a morale check.


No I am not a fan of "awe" nor the dryads. Dryads should stay barefoot in the forest cooking by the campfire while the Minotaurs go out and make a living.

[st.patrik]

Originally posted by Nerfix:

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Originally posted by apoger:
>• The Dryad Hoplites are way expensive

Wouldn't touch them with a 10' pole.

Sir, are you underestimating the effects of awe?

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I for one haven't noticed dryad hoplites holding up much better than satyr hoplites in combat (unblessed or modest blessings) - in other words I haven't seen awe make much of a difference

[HJ]

Awe & fear seem to work well together. And since they are the only awe-inspiring sacred units, it's an interesting combination to try out. It all depends on what you pit them against.

[PvK]

Originally posted by st.patrik:
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• The Dryad Hoplites are way expensive (50 gold, 22 resources) given that their main advantage over their satyr cousins is that they are sacred. They have worse HP, prot, and str - only slightly better Magic Resistance and Movement, and the awe effect. This at about 4 times the gold cost.

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• Reduce the price of Dryad Hoplites, and give them a strategic move of 2
They are simply too expensive to warrant use - they need some kind of boost to make them attractive, or a price reduction. Also since New Era has no good troops that can move 2 territories it would be a nice advantage to give the dryad hoplites.
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You may be entirely right - I haven't studied them - but are you considering that if they survive, being sacred halves their cost in the long run (halves maintenance cost)? Or, that since they're sacred, to make the most of them, they'd be using bless effects?

PvK

[st.patrik]

Originally posted by PvK:

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Originally posted by st.patrik:
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• The Dryad Hoplites are way expensive (50 gold, 22 resources) given that their main advantage over their satyr cousins is that they are sacred. They have worse HP, prot, and str - only slightly better Magic Resistance and Movement, and the awe effect. This at about 4 times the gold cost.

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• Reduce the price of Dryad Hoplites, and give them a strategic move of 2
They are simply too expensive to warrant use - they need some kind of boost to make them attractive, or a price reduction. Also since New Era has no good troops that can move 2 territories it would be a nice advantage to give the dryad hoplites.
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You may be entirely right - I haven't studied them - but are you considering that if they survive, being sacred halves their cost in the long run (halves maintenance cost)? Or, that since they're sacred, to make the most of them, they'd be using bless effects?

PvK

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I understand that those are the reasons why they're so expensive - but I still think that being almost 4x as expensive (in gold) as otherwise comparable units is too much. They are more expensive than wardens, for example, and I think Wardens have the better stats by a long shot.