Restricting AI death scale?

[NTJedi]

YOUR MISSING THE POINT

playing Ermor against all computer opponents makes for an easy game... thus I suggested the game only be played against human opponents when using Ermor for those who can.

your misunderstandings include:
Zen said:
won the game against the AI by just casting Burden of Time (I NEVER SAID THAT)

Zen said:
Ermor are not overpowering in MP by any degree (NEVER SAID THEY WERE FOR MP)
-if this was intended for someone else you didn't include their quote.

[ December 18, 2003, 05:44: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by NTJedi:
[QB] YOUR MISSING THE POINT

No, I think that you're missing the point.

playing Ermor against all computer opponents makes for an easy game... thus I suggested the game only be played against human opponents when using Ermor for those who can.

Which is what Zen agreed with.

your misunderstandings include:
Zen said:
won the game against the AI by just casting Burden of Time (I NEVER SAID THAT)

You said that it made the game too easy, which means essentially the same thing.

Zen said:
Ermor are not overpowering in MP by any degree (NEVER SAID THEY WERE FOR MP)
-if this was intended for someone else you didn't include their quote.

Why are you so upset that somebody agreed with you?

[NTJedi]

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your misunderstandings include:
Zen said:
won the game against the AI by just casting Burden of Time (I NEVER SAID THAT)

You said that it made the game too easy, which means essentially the same thing.

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WRONG...
example: Using a car to travel across the USA makes traveling across way too easy when compared with other ground vehicles. Doesn't mean the car alone will be enough to acomplish this task.
just because one item, creature or spell makes the game much easier doesn't mean that single feature will win the game. There are many aspects of the game which work together.

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Originally posted:
playing Ermor against all computer opponents makes for an easy game... thus I suggested the game only be played against human opponents when using Ermor for those who can.

Which is what Zen agreed with.

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quote:

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Zen said:
Ermor are not overpowering in MP by any degree (NEVER SAID THEY WERE FOR MP)
-if this was intended for someone else you didn't include their quote.

Why are you so upset that somebody agreed with you?

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I never get upset posting on forums. However your sentence structure is written as if you disagreed with someone who said Ermor was overpowering. There was nothing to show confirmation either such as :
"That's True" or "Same experiences here" or something

[ December 18, 2003, 17:13: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

WRONG...
example: Using a car to travel across the USA makes traveling across way too easy when compared with other ground vehicles. Doesn't mean the car alone will be enough to acomplish this task.
just because one item, creature or spell makes the game much easier doesn't mean that single feature will win the game. There are many aspects of the game which work together.

That can be said for any nation, not just Ermor. Once you learn the weaknesses of the AI; then you can abuse them regardless of whatever nation you choose.

Where the AI works for Ermor is it doesn't mass produce priests, preach dominion and take domains, even for 1 turn, to stop the steady accumulation of forces by domain. Or using global spells and sieging castles with large Groups of reanimation crews and stopping the production of the 'elite' of Ermor.

However; even if you play on impossible with 17 opponents, on a mid-sized map, so you don't have the time it takes to sit on a Cache of provinces to create your armies you are going to have to work for it; unless you exploit the AI.

I don't know what your argument here is, if it's not that "Ermor is too easy if I use Burdern of Time too" or "I'd only play Ermor vs humans" (which means to me, other players).

[NTJedi]

Originally posted by Zen:

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WRONG...
example: Using a car to travel across the USA makes traveling across way too easy when compared with other ground vehicles. Doesn't mean the car alone will be enough to acomplish this task.
just because one item, creature or spell makes the game much easier doesn't mean that single feature will win the game. There are many aspects of the game which work together.

That can be said for any nation, not just Ermor. Once you learn the weaknesses of the AI; then you can abuse them regardless of whatever nation you choose.

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My statement was specifically about Ermor and a very powerful spell not the other nations... since the topic is related with the AI death scale.

I don't know what your argument here is, if it's not that "Ermor is too easy if I use Burdern of Time too" or "I'd only play Ermor vs humans" (which means to me, other players).

Regarding my original post... there was no argument only a statement.
The quotes:
{Ermor is too easy if I use Burdern of Time too}
True when playing against only computer opponents.
{I'd only play Ermor vs humans}
True statement

[ December 18, 2003, 19:02: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

Yes, what I'm saying is that ANY nation can be. Regardless of Death scales. Take Pythium for example.

And in regards to your comments, try 17 opponents on a cramped map with Ermor on Impossible; and you might think differently.

[NTJedi]

Originally posted by Zen:
Yes, what I'm saying is that ANY nation can be. Regardless of Death scales. Take Pythium for example.

And in regards to your comments, try 17 opponents on a cramped map with Ermor on Impossible; and you might think differently.

OF COURSE any nation can be... but most other nations are not related to this TOPIC.

17 opponents on a cramped map with impossible settings is a game more based on LUCK then strategy.

[ December 18, 2003, 19:09: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

In what way? You were commenting on how you the player cast Burden of Time playing Ermor impacted the game. Not the fact that 50% of the AI Pretenders design has some death scale which cripples them.

And the only luck portion of it is what you do with what you are given; that is where the strategy comes into play.

[NTJedi]

Originally posted by Zen:
In what way? You were commenting on how you the player cast Burden of Time playing Ermor impacted the game. Not the fact that 50% of the AI Pretenders design has some death scale which cripples them.

Burden of Time response was a response from the previous post which also mentioned 'Burden of Time'. Works in conjunction with Death Scale.

Originally posted by Zen:

And the only luck portion of it is what you do with what you are given; that is where the strategy comes into play.

OH MY HEAVENS... THIS IS SO WRONG!
There are so many unknown variables regarding AI attack decisions, events, magic sites, etc..., etc... . THESE ARE LUCK ! Not much to do in a game where 4 Impossible AI opponents decide to make you the first kill on a cramped map.

[ December 18, 2003, 19:44: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

Burden of Time response was a response from the previous post which also mentioned 'Burden of Time'. Works in conjunction with Death Scale.

There was no mention of working in conjunction; but that the AI is not proactive in dispelling it, or any other global enchantment which has negative impacts on them. It has less to do with the death scale in a 'living' enviroment, but more to do with being undead and not being affected by the spell.

There are so many unknown variables regarding AI attack decisions, events, magic sites, etc..., etc... . THESE ARE LUCK ! Not much to do in a game where 4 Impossible AI opponents decide to make you the first kill on a cramped map.

Not really. There are alot of different variables, but keeping AI's from attacking you is not totally regulated to luck. Also there is the strategy of how and why you expand, and who and why you attack and how you do it. Giving up aspects to 'luck' is an excuse and not compensating for it. Maybe too much 'luck' for someone who wants to play a game in a certain fashion that they have learned to be effective against the AI.