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				 Re: Forge Bonuses 
 How do you get an unholy-19 priest? By modding the map?
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				December 22nd, 2003, 02:22 AM
			
			
			
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 By modding the map. Just like anything else... It took some time after that until I could think level 3 mage good again.       |  
	
		
	
	
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				December 21st, 2003, 08:43 PM
			
			
			
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 if you ever programmed in basic or anything else, then you can script. Something like
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				December 31st, 2003, 08:39 PM
			
			
			
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 Hm.  Has anybody tried a Nataraja with *two* different forge-bonus weapons (e.g. Hammer of the Forge Lord, Hammer of the Cyclops)?  You need at least three arms to try, since there's only one one-handed forge-bonus weapon AFAICT...It'd be pretty wacky if those 50% forge bonuses stacked, although admittedly you need a Wish or the correct independent to get a Hammer of the Cyclops.
 
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				January 1st, 2004, 01:19 AM
			
			
			
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 I haven't tried that, but my guess is it would work, because practically every other combination I have seen work with forge bonuses - sites, Ulmish forgers, items, and global enchantments.
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 Tried a Nataraja w/ Hammer of the Forge Lord + Hammer of the Cyclops Last night, empowered the fellow in some fire and astral.  No other forge bonuses active.20-gem items seemed to cost 4, 5-gem items cost 1, didn't try other levels.  It's not free, but it does stack in some odd way (80% off at those two levels, at least; better than multiplicative bonus of 75% off let alone single bonus of 50%).
 
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				 Re: Forge Bonuses 
 Hi,
 I already had a Nat in my game and wished up the Hammer.  So, forged the Chalice (20 n 10 a) with the Hammer of the Cyclops and Forge Lord with Forge of the Ancients running ...
 
 The Chalice costs 2 n 1 a.  Not bad.  10% of the original cost.
 
 The Nat can definitely become a forge maniac.
 
 BTW, I've been looking and looking for a spell I cast once and haven't been able to find again.  It gives back some of the gems used in casting every turn and is a ritual, like Forge of the Ancients.
 
 
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