Iron Dragons=Uber Unit ??

[sfsuphysics]

Yah considering its a level 9 spell, and how many levels of earth magic do you need to summon it? (probably invested a few gems there getting a mage that powerful, unless that was your initial pretender). That late in the game you shouldn't have to pay ungodly amounts of gems to summon powerful creatures, I mean its assumed you're already powerful as it is.

Besides no creature is perfectly good. As mentioned already with magic. Plus I'm sure enough lower level creatures and you can overwhelm even an iron dragon. Never had one myself personally, but also can you heal them? Or are they like golems?

[Gandalf Parker]

In Dom1 there were some things that eventually became common to agree not to use. Only until a patch fixed them tho which did usually happen.

But in general, this is an excellent game of balances. If you feel something is too powerful (or too worthless) you might want to do some creative thinking.

If anything DOES seem in either Category let us know.

[Hawkmoon]

The replies have been awesome...thanks a lot..I will share what I've gathered here...looks like ID's aren't quite as "Uber" as I had previously thought. LOL...and apparently there are far worse things than a unit of ID out there...sheesh...this game is insane...I love it !!!

[Vger]

Hi,

I'm a relative newb, but I should think that playing Jotun with Neifel theme could also deal with them. Those Jarls are SC's by themselves, especially once you can equip them decently. Just offering another solution.

Also, I haven't done this, but from looking at the stats for the Troll King and his court when I cast it makes me think it would do well vs IDs.

This would be an interesting trial for the new battle simulator someone's done. I.e. what can kill IDs?


Ciao,
V'ger gone

[ywl]

Originally posted by Vger:
Hi,

I'm a relative newb, but I should think that playing Jotun with Neifel theme could also deal with them. Those Jarls are SC's by themselves, especially once you can equip them decently. Just offering another solution.

Also, I haven't done this, but from looking at the stats for the Troll King and his court when I cast it makes me think it would do well vs IDs.

This would be an interesting trial for the new battle simulator someone's done. I.e. what can kill IDs?


Ciao,
V'ger gone

Too many. A bunch of ghosts or vampires will do. They're ethereal and have high defense, so that they're less likely to be trampled. Their attacks are armor piercing. And they're cheaper in term of gems and accessible at lower level.

Even a Firblog with a good armor-negating weapon may be able to finish one off - not sure on this, somebody has to test.

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Vger:
This would be an interesting trial for the new battle simulator someone's done. I.e. what can kill IDs?

Go for it=) Just post the stats for an Iron Dragon (in the correct format) in the Battle Sim thread, and I'll add it to the simulator=) Or feel free to add it yourself, and learn the results in secret The data files are all easily-edited text files.

[Arralen]

[quote]Originally posted by ywl:

Originally posted by Vger:
Even a Firblog with a good armor-negating weapon may be able to finish one off - not sure on this, somebody has to test.

.. the ID isn't lighting-resistant, right?
The combo will work on lots of others "biggest monsters", too, though ...


Thunder Bow
(10 air gems; STR armor negating damage)
Girdle of Might
( 3 earth gems; +3 STR, +3 Reinv.)

Those quite low-level and easy to forge items will result in:

DAM 20 (lighting, armor-negating)
range 30
prec 18

I went for girdle of might because the Firbolg is rather heavy encumbered, and I found them rel. often with fat. >10, which will incure them a -1 penalty, when they ran around to get the nicest target in range ...
Maybe a total prec of 18 is too low, so you might want to add a Eye of Aiming, and maybe a Bear Claw while you're at it, for another 5 damage

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