Why espionage is to powerful

Aussie Gamer · #1 April 30th, 2001, 07:49 AM

To use Esp on another race you don't have to send over your people you just buy of the others guys people to do the dirty work for you.
Remember that you have got trade links to the other nation, even if you aren't trading with them yet.
The chance for a covert agent to cross the border and set up a cell.
That sort of thing.

jc173 · #2 April 30th, 2001, 08:49 AM

Good point about using the other empire's guys to conduct espionage. There's also the possibility of using a third-party races malcontents or more mercenary elements as intermediaries.

Q · #3 April 30th, 2001, 05:35 PM

Noble 713 I would like a racial trait that gives immunity to intelligence operations. Call it "absolute loyalty" or something like that. But until now it's not available and it can be only created by MM because it needs a change in the hard coded area.

Taqwus · #4 April 30th, 2001, 06:51 PM

Be glad it wasn't a star destroyer. One of the reasons I've never built one is the slight risk that a really, really lucky intel op would commandeer it before it reached its target. That would be a rough way to lose your home system... and given the resources it takes to build one (and therefore the probable power of the empire) it's not a tradeoff I like.

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nerfman · #5 April 30th, 2001, 07:01 PM

Darth Vader - "What is it Admiral Piet?"

Adm. Piet - "Um, sir, we have a little problem."

Vader - "What is it!? I'll have you know I have an appointment to discuss our long term IT infrastructure needs with emperor in ten minutes!"

Adm. Piet - "Well, you know that Death Star thingly, you know, that little pet project of our beloved emperor."

Vader - "Yes"

Adm. Piet - "Well we can't seem to find the keys, you don't have them on you by chance?"

Vader - "Arghhhhh!!"

Adm. Piet - Choke, ghasp, weeze, slump

Meanwhile on the bridge of the death star

Han Solo - "Man this baby really handles like a beauty. Hey Leah, go make us some drinks and slip into something more comforatble. I'll be up as soon as I set the course for Coruscant (sp?). I sure hope you like your Imperial capitals well done."

STAR WARS W/ CREW INSURRECTION

serpwidgets · #6 April 30th, 2001, 09:44 PM

quote:
To use Esp on another race you don't have to send over your people you just buy of the others guys people to do the dirty work for you.
Remember that you have got trade links to the other nation, even if you aren't trading with them yet.
The chance for a covert agent to cross the border and set up a cell.
That sort of thing.

How exactly do you bribe a Borg drone? ;-) How do you have someone infiltrate the collective without becoming subjected to its will?

I'm sure there are other examples of races like this.

I think being able to turn off intel for a race would be an interesting trait. Imagine the research you can do if you don't have to build any intel centers or do any of that research...

Puke · #7 April 30th, 2001, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by serpwidgets:
How exactly do you bribe a Borg drone? ;-) How do you have someone infiltrate the collective without becoming subjected to its will?

you kidding? they do it on voyager all the time. they even managed to pull it off every so often on next-gen. now, i wont get into the actual quality of such episodes - but they do seem to happen frequently enoguh.