Luck/Order scales after 2.06 Patch

[General Tacticus]

Originally posted by Keir Maxwell:
Just ot repeat some things I said earlier as they seem out of keeping with much of the opinion being expressed and I'd like to know why.

1.Turmoil3/luck3 is not suicidial

I agree. Have you read my Mictlan AAR ? I am playing at Turmoil 3/ Luck 1, with Mictlan, and doing well, thank you.

However, Turmoil 3/Luck 3 and Order 3/Misfortune 3 should not really be compared in terms of gold produced alone. Turmoil 3 is for nations that are less gold-dependant. Luck 3 is a playing style (and does give you a nice boost, don't forget to play common events !). The Turmoil 3/ Luck 3 works well with some nations (Mictlan, Ulm, Ermor I suppose, ...). What was really sad pre-patch was that Order 3/Luck 3 was a useless combo. And that Order 3/Misfortune 3 cost nothing but had almost no downside (specially with rare events). No wonder it was taken by everybody ! And they never noticed they were losing some very nice events, awesome heroes, and so on. This seems to be fixed now.

Not convinced ? Try it ! Take a nation that is not too gold dependant, for example Ulm. Take Turmoil 3 / Luck 3 and whatever other scale you feel good with. Play it. Expand. And look at the nice events. The bigger you grow, the more events. Free troops. Free castle. Free lab. Free gems. Free Gold. Free unrest reduction. Free magic sites. Free commanders. Free artifacts. Free permanent increase in taxes or in ressources. While you are at it, try casting crossbreeding. Watch the awesome results Remember you paid 0 design points for all thoses events Discover your nice national heroes (OK, Ulm's heroes suck, try it with someone else ).

Hey, now that the scale are fixed, I believe I'll try a Order 3/ Luck 3 game. The gold AND the events ! Of course, I'll have to make sacrifices elsewhere.

[SurvivalistMerc]

Will the devs confirm whether there has been an overall reduction of the number of events on the "common" events setting as part of the scale changes in the 2.06 patch?

[Humer]

Originally posted by General Tacticus:

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Originally posted by Keir Maxwell:
Just ot repeat some things I said earlier as they seem out of keeping with much of the opinion being expressed and I'd like to know why.

1.Turmoil3/luck3 is not suicidial

I agree. Have you read my Mictlan AAR ? I am playing at Turmoil 3/ Luck 1, with Mictlan, and doing well, thank you.

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Agreed also. Playing T'ien Chi S&A w/ Turmoil-1/Luck-3, turn 40 and worse that has happened is "Very ill omen...". There has been also a few cases of robbed witches and whatnots but my troops seem to have been agile enough to dodge those curses.

OTOH, I have received about *ten* mines (of silver and gold-varieties), couple of permanent tax-increases (was it 35gp?), about 1k gold and a s**tload of gems. There just seems to be goodies waiting to happen every turn.

Although my Divine Emperor might have something to do with it...

- Humer

[PDF]

Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:
Ah, at Last you realize your situation is hopeless. So, you surrender?

Yeah, I have no chance vs the Underwater King of the Hill !
I will consider surrendering, but payment should be in hard real cash, not in gems !

[ January 16, 2004, 13:36: Message edited by: PDF ]

[licker]

Originally posted by PDF:

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Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:
Ah, at Last you realize your situation is hopeless. So, you surrender?

Yeah, I have no chance vs the Underwater King of the Hill !
I will consider surrendering, but payment should be in hard real cash, not in gems !

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LOL!!! I think that of anyone mine is the most hopeless situation (Arco nonwithstanding ), yet I won't surrender, I'll just pump out a hoard of totem shielded Empoisoners and begin operation assassination on the world!!!

Bah and to think, if I'da had one more turn things with Machaka would be very very different

[Jasper]

Originally posted by General Tacticus:
Turmoil 3 is for nations that are less gold-dependant.

IMHO all nations are extremely gold dependent, except _perhaps_ Ermor. There are always very effective things to spend gold on, such as mages or forts to increase your reseources. The only thing arguably more important than gold income is gem income.

[Keir Maxwell]

Here is some bits a bobs on luck from another post based on testing a T'ien Ch'i BK mod which has seen my use luck turmoil scales lot.

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When I tried using a pretender other than the Lady of Fortune I got severly manhandled by luck - 1/5th pop emmigrated from capital t.9 1/5th from biggest other province 3 turns late, plague, trog all in the first 16 turns. I was also been attacked by two neighbours early (bad starting position) and had Kau Feng (PoD) feebleminded by a random arrow shot as he lurked in the back wearing rainbow armour. I decide to give up on this one when my prophet bought it even though militarily I was still putting up a fight and taking the war to the enemy - I just didn't have enough gold coming in and hadn't got a second castle even though I was using the wizard tower. The random events did not destroy me and there were good ones (total of 150gps in cash) but I end up with that feeling described by so many - I'm paying for maximum luck scales and I still get bad luck.

I went back to LoF and things went much better. I have never had a significant bad event in my capital using LoF and while this is probably just luck she has become my lucky taliesmen. In fact I think the only reason I have a far kinder view of luck than most is using the Lady of Fortune. Have I just been really lucky with her or does she have an ability to stop bad events in the province she is in?

As luck issues are making it hard to get a good take on this I'm going to start using a simple luck mod. Basically its Saber Cherries idea of +-13% luck/misfortune on quality of events with no other changes to scales. This means with luck3 you have a 89% chance of an event being good - I think it was 95% in dom1 so this is not that extreme compared to what many of us are used to playing with.
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I noticed Humers comments on good luck using the Jade Emperor with interest. All my good experiance with luck is using the Lady of Fortune. I know there are characters out there who can prevent bad events - can these two. You read their description and you would think so but Kristoffer didn't mention it when he gave us details on their luck modding effects. Still you should not have to take one of these two to have a good time with Luck as Tuatha don't even get them.

If there is any desire for it I will post the +-13 luck mod. Its very easy to make. Seeing as there have been a number of problem with the mod tools I must sit down and run a mod which makes it impossible to get a bad event to make sure event modding is working.

cheers

Keir