Two questions on preaching

[Silicor]

How would this work with multiple generic lvl 2 priests. Is each one handled individually, which would still not give them a chance in an enemy province or do the work together to get a better chance?

[Arryn]

Perhaps, with some future patch/mod, we can get priestly communion. Heck, religious communion should have been in the game from the start if there is wizardly communion.

[PvK]

I assume the preaching effects would be resolved in sequence, like other things seperate commanders do. That combined effect would already be pretty good.

There is something I don't quite understand going on with the effect of enemy dominion, though. I notice that provinces near enemy dominion have a lower level that "can't be raised any higher by preaching". My guess has been that every nation can have dominion in every province, and they subtract from each other somehow, in a slow process from turn to turn, and that dominion also slowly spreads from province to province. I don't particularly want to know all the details, since it is fun just seeing it be a bit unpredictable, but has someone explained how the dominions interact somewhere? Just curious.

PvK

[HJ]

Originally posted by PvK:
I don't particularly want to know all the details, since it is fun just seeing it be a bit unpredictable, but has someone explained how the dominions interact somewhere? Just curious.

PvK

There was a discussion about this a while back, but I don't think it was explained in great detail. The thread is here, it might give you some further info:
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...4;t=000300;p=2

I am still a bit concerned with Fires of Faith Marignon and their insane dominion values. I gave up in one game I was playing against them, but their dominion at that point was at (-)19, meaning not even my lizard kings would be able to do anything about it. It's interesting to fight them, since you can't use either your god or your prophet really, but this also means that there is no way you can lower their dominion through preaching. A fun feature, but kinda worrysome when you think about it.

[ January 19, 2004, 07:20: Message edited by: HJ ]

[Arryn]

Originally posted by PvK:
I notice that provinces near enemy dominion have a lower level that "can't be raised any higher by preaching". My guess has been that every nation can have dominion in every province, and they subtract from each other somehow, in a slow process from turn to turn, and that dominion also slowly spreads from province to province.

Enemy dominion works to lower your current dom, but it does not change the "cap". If the priest has holy-2, then you should be able to preach to that level (though enemy dom may prevent you from making any headway). I have spread dom up to and beyond my priest's level by building temples at my enemy borders, then letting the temple's own effect continue to boost dom level after my priests reach their own (and then they move on to other provinces to repeat the procedure). If you are unable to counter the effect of enemy dom so that you can preach up to your max, then you must have a low dom score for your pretender (and not enough temples overall to boost it). Or you need to throw more priests at the problem. I have never seen a message saying I cannot preach further until my priest does, indeed, hit his displayed max. OTOH, I also control provinces I preach in (unless I'm sieging). With Dom-10, I can siege a keep with the enemy god inside it and still move the balance in that province in my favor, though it may take months to go positive. All of this leads me to believe that your overall core dom value affects the effectiveness of your priests.

As for spread effects, they seem confined to adjacent provinces to your own dominion "generators". It also seems that a province that has high dominion will "spill" some of it over into adjacent provinces, even if that high-dom province itself has no temple or priest. Or at least that's the ripple effect I've been noticing. But the ripple appears much weaker than the effect of temples in pushing dom outwards.

[General Tacticus]

Originally posted by Arryn:
With Dom-10, I can siege a keep with the enemy god inside it and still move the balance in that province in my favor, though it may take months to go positive. All of this leads me to believe that your overall core dom value affects the effectiveness of your priests.

And multiple priests in a province have a cumulative effect (but still can't go beyond their individual limit of course). Just put 20 priest on that siege with the enemy god inside, and watch his dominion disappear from the province, even if you have a low Dominion score yourself...

[mivayan]

And multiple priests in a province have a cumulative effect (but still can't go beyond their individual limit of course). Just put 20 priest on that siege with the enemy god inside, and watch his dominion disappear from the province, even if you have a low Dominion score yourself...

Just a little note: According to the formulas posted by Kristoffer, holy2 priests cant affect enemy dominion of 8 or higher, you need lvl3 or better priests for that.