Hoburg Alliance Special Edition, now complete with hoburg heroes

Teraswaerto · #1 February 4th, 2004, 11:35 PM

I'd rather make the Volkfreund weaker and leave it non-capitol restricted, and make the Tierfreund capitol only, possibly with a slight boost if appropriate.

Machakan Witch Doctors, for example, have 3 paths at 1 for only 90 gold, so I don't think the Horticulturist is too cheap. The Obstgaertner will be capitol only, BTW, once that becomes possible (and I'll add a Verehrt Obstgaertner as another capitol only mage).

Any new commander has 25 leadership, that can't be affected, as far as I know.

Great idea about giving the militia slings.

Adept · #2 February 5th, 2004, 01:43 PM

The tierfreund is not powerful enough to be capital only (I think anyway). Nor does the volkfreund seem overpowered.

Heck, it's very hard to be overpowered with strength ~ 5 and armed with a shorsword.

Surprisingly enough the hoburgs can sometimes manage to take on normal heavy infantry, but they do need 2 - 3 times their number.

Teraswaerto · #3 February 5th, 2004, 03:01 PM

The Tierfreund is supposed to have 10+ or perhaps 15+ stealth, but that isn't possible yet. They are weak, frail, and virtually unarmored, but still quite deadly in battle due to the poisonous magic weapon, and a defense of 15 (without any blessings).

ywl · #4 February 5th, 2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Adept:
The tierfreund is not powerful enough to be capital only (I think anyway). Nor does the volkfreund seem overpowered.

Heck, it's very hard to be overpowered with strength ~ 5 and armed with a shorsword.

Surprisingly enough the hoburgs can sometimes manage to take on normal heavy infantry, but they do need 2 - 3 times their number.

With Fire 9 blessing, I had a 48 Volkfreunds plus Burgmeister Guards army routing a 24 Heavy Cavalry (8 of them killed) + Light Cavalry, Light Infantry indie (70 units total). It's not easy for any other nations I played.

With their low cost, lack of capital-restriction, I can easily field a 100+ Volkfreunds by turn 10-12. Horburg also has access to cheap Nature 1 mage and thus the spell "Protection" (Alteration 3 only), which add another 7 protection to the units. That's a mighty army.

ywl · #5 February 5th, 2004, 06:00 PM

BTW, I'm picking on the game balance because I like Hoburg and think that this mod would be fun to play against other nations in an MP game

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For SP, it's more than fine enough.

Adept · #6 February 5th, 2004, 06:40 PM

Interesting reading ywf. I must say I hadn't noticed that.

Since I play multiplay with three other RPG enthusiasts, our games tend to be more thematic and minimaxed.

What you said does check out, so those guys seem to be rather dangerous. The low damage (and weak poison) still limits their punch, however.

Teraswaerto · #7 February 5th, 2004, 06:43 PM

Volkfreunds currently have slightly better "physical" stats than other hoburgs. Strenght and hit points are 7 instead of 5. If they had a gold cost of 20, instead of the current 18, and 6 strenght and hp, would they still, in your opinion, be overpowered?

I don't want to make them capitol only, since it wouldn't be thematic, and I've always thought more nations should have access to holy troops beyond what can be produced in one province.

[ February 05, 2004, 16:47: Message edited by: Teraswaerto ]