Unit matchups

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Arryn:
The best ways to counter HI are (IMO): magic, giants, lancers, your own HI, pikeman, and crossbows. In that order. (I don't claim this is the only way, incidently, just my prefernce.)

Undead are good too - they don't fatigue, and HI do.

[Bossemanden]

If you have units with giant strength, then weaker but longer weapons become more useful because they can do enough damage to actually be effective on repel. Which is why I prefer spear-armed giants to axe-armed ones.

IIRC this is wrong. Repel if succesfull deals 1 point of damage regardless of the strength of the guy carrying the weapon.

Edit: The main strenght of repel is that if succesfull it forces a morale check to see if the attacker actually carries through his attack or if he is intimidated by the longer weapon.

[ February 01, 2004, 00:31: Message edited by: Bossemanden ]

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Bossemanden:
IIRC this is wrong. Repel if succesfull deals 1 point of damage regardless of the strength of the guy carrying the weapon.

Edit: The main strenght of repel is that if succesfull it forces a morale check to see if the attacker actually carries through his attack or if he is intimidated by the longer weapon.

Incorrect on the automatic 1 damage.

Step 1: The defender (with longer weapon) must overcome the attacker's defense rating. If successful, move on to step #2.

Step 2: Attacker must check morale. If successful, move on to step #3.

Step 3: Defender hits attacker. Resolve as normal, except that damage is capped at 1. It is possible to do no damage at all. (This is where strength does matter.)

Step 4. Attacker hits defender. Resolve normally.

Please note that if the defender has extras such as poison, decay, etc. that the attacker can be killed by a repel that does "only" 1 point.

[ February 01, 2004, 00:51: Message edited by: Arryn ]

[olaf73]

Overall flails seem like the best weapon to use.

Aside from that though, the 'best' weapon seems to be very dependent on the unit you are facing.

olaf

[Arralen]

Originally posted by Arryn:
Please note that if the defender has extras such as poison, decay, etc. that the attacker can be killed by a repel that does "only" 1 point.

Shure about that?
I'm still waiting for a definite statement from the devs about it, or alternativly some "proofed statement" from a player, 'cause I haven't seen any poisoning from a repel so far.

[ February 01, 2004, 08:28: Message edited by: Arralen ]

[johan osterman]

There is a one point dmg max from successful repell attempts, but this is not a regular attack (code-wise) and would probably not use any specials of a weapon such as poison or fire, perhaps even magic (vs ethereals). Not sure though.

I believe I have seen a Herald Lance repel undead with an effect. Maybe only certain 'on hit' parameters and not base damage parameters. Does it also account for damage type, or is that what you were saying? Could test it with a Lightning Spear and try to repel someone who is and who isn't shock resistant to see.

[ February 01, 2004, 08:51: Message edited by: Zen ]