Legionaries

[vanedor]

Yeah, I tried the gladiator. I tend to keep them as fire fighters, going where there is an emergency. Or fight that decisive battle by opening the way for my regular troops. I guess I could start using them for my regular assaults but as you said, getting a fresh supplies of gladiator can be very difficult if I'm deep into enemy territory and easily wasted by attacking overly inferior armies.

[Pillin]

[quote]Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
[QB]

Originally posted by vanedor:
Armor is cumbersome. Make it more difficult to manipulate weapons.

If armor actually made it more difficult to wield weapons, you might have an argument there. Since it's possible to do cartwheels in plate armour, I don't think that you do.

Cartwheels in plate? what are you smoking and can I have some?

[IKerensky]

[quote]Originally posted by Pillin:

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Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
[QB]

Originally posted by vanedor:
Armor is cumbersome. Make it more difficult to manipulate weapons.

If armor actually made it more difficult to wield weapons, you might have an argument there. Since it's possible to do cartwheels in plate armour, I don't think that you do.

Cartwheels in plate? what are you smoking and can I have some?

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yes you can cart whell is ARTICULATED plate mail... and chain mail too...

Here we are talking of roman legion armor, and throwing pilum was an inherent part of the battle tactics of every legionnaires.

If you find it hard not to field army of princips that is logical, principes are the Last evolution in legionnaires and where the only kind fielded in thoses times ( perhaps some auxiliaries velites still, but with sling or bow I guess ). The 4 other kind were earlier Version that where supposed to fight by ranks... a tactics you can try in the game ....

BTW you can adjust the pilum of principles so he is supposed to be low damage ( against shielded troups ), low range but destroy ( render useless ) the ennemy shield ( something I saw other magical weapon do ). This could be a nice, realistic change.

[ February 03, 2004, 17:56: Message edited by: IKerensky ]

[Jasper]

Originally posted by IKerensky:
If you find it hard not to field army of princips that is logical, principes are the Last evolution in legionnaires and where the only kind fielded in thoses times ( perhaps some auxiliaries velites still, but with sling or bow I guess ). The 4 other kind were earlier Version that where supposed to fight by ranks... a tactics you can try in the game ....

Hmmmm. That's quite different than what I've read...

IIRC Hastati, Principes, and Triari all date from the Republic of Rome -- i.e. before the Roman Empire, and not exactly "the Last evolution in legionnaires". I have a hard time imagining Principes without Hastati, as Principes were basically just Hastati veterans placed in the second row as they were more likely to hold than "green" Hastati should units in the first row rout.

[IKerensky]

well, I probably have made some mistake with the names here

That would explain why the princips doesnt have there pilum guess I got what I deserve for posting without rechecking my sources.

Anyway that is a good setup for a late-roman Pythium mod.... hum, will deserve a try at moding that...