Scenario: Orania Nasty Edition

Stormbinder · #1 March 29th, 2004, 01:53 AM

Petter Ebisson: Good work, I'm planing to try it later. Based upon your excellent work in EU2 mod field I excpect a lot from this scenario in terms of AI challennge.

Btw - small suggestion that you may have considered yourself already. On Gandalf's great map site he has many editions for differnt nations of the same map - to give player more chanllenge by allying some of AIs against the nation of your choice from the begiing. Like for example if you are going to play "Abyssia" you just download map named "abyssia:" fopr larger challenge while playing SP as this nation. I wonder if the same principle could be applied to your own map - making 17 copies of them with only difference of having only 16 nations "boofed up"out of 17 on each of this map. Comparible to the work you have done already it should not be too difficult, if I understand the process correctly.

By doing it the player could enjoy all benefits of "boofed up" AIs in your map without beeing "boofed up" himslef, which if I understand ot right was potential problem for your "nasty edition" of Orania.

Of course, if you've made something like this already than just disregard this message.

Just trying to help with my two cents.

Now THE ultimate masohistic challenge for hard-core Dominions2 veterans would be to win such "one nation-excluded" Version of your "nasty Orania" map like I've described above, WITH Gandalf-style modification of alliance system between AIs - meaning nasty edition of orania with all races beefed up but yours, and with all AIs set on Impossible and allied against you.

I don't know if it would be possible tio win, but it would be definetly the ultimate challenge...

Gandalf Parker · #2 March 29th, 2004, 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Now THE ultimate masohistic challenge for hard-core Dominions2 veterans would be to win such "one nation-excluded" Version of your "nasty Orania" map like I've described above, WITH Gandalf-style modification of alliance system between AIs - meaning nasty edition of orania with all races beefed up but yours, and with all AIs set on Impossible and allied against you.

Actually, the ally command has no affect if the nation is a human player, and of course no effect if the nation isnt included in the game. An ally command of 1 to 2, automatically allies 2 to 1 also. So he could add the commands such as
#allies 1 2
#allies 1 3
#allies 1 4
for all the combinations of the 17 nations. It would only kick in for AIs added to the game. And it would keep the AI's from attacking each other to concentrate on you. What would such a scenario be called? Orania Insane? Orania Armageddon? Might be fun for a multiplayer game where 3 or 4 human players would DEFINITELY be smart to form their own alliance against the AI's.

Of course you could also use notepad to add those commands to the .map you downloaded from him if you wanted to test this idea.

[ March 29, 2004, 02:42: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

Peter Ebbesen · #3 March 29th, 2004, 08:18 AM

Gandalf, an all allied impossible AI Version of the nasty edition would be called "Orania - Oh, ****, why am I being hit by 10-20 rituals per round, and how come all the elemental kings and queens have already been summoned"...

....Which does not really roll off the tongue, now does it?

(Unless you were playing Ermor, in which case you are Beyond Reproach)

It would almost certainly not be impossible to win alone, of course, but it might be a bit hard for some nations.

[ March 29, 2004, 08:01: Message edited by: Peter Ebbesen ]

Stormbinder · #4 March 29th, 2004, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen:
Gandalf, an all allied impossible AI Version of the nasty edition would be called "Orania - Oh, ****, why am I being hit by 10-20 rituals per round, and how come all the elemental kings and queens have already been summoned"...

....Which does not really roll off the tongue, now does it?

(Unless you were playing Ermor, in which case you are Beyond Reproach)

It would almost certainly not be impossible to win alone, of course, but it might be a bit hard for some nations.

I could imagine...

But what do you think about having sligtly different Versions of your map for each of nations, so that all your modifications would only help AIs, not human player?

Peter Ebbesen · #5 March 30th, 2004, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:
But what do you think about having sligtly different Versions of your map for each of nations, so that all your modifications would only help AIs, not human player?

Too much bother to maintain strict Version control and cohesion of for a hobby project as I cannot use compiler-directives in the .map files.

Stormbinder · #6 March 30th, 2004, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen:

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:
But what do you think about having sligtly different Versions of your map for each of nations, so that all your modifications would only help AIs, not human player?

Too much bother to maintain strict Version control and cohesion of for a hobby project as I cannot use compiler-directives in the .map files.

Well it's your project.

I am only asking because your idea about "nasty Orania map" looks very interesting to me.

As for Versions control - you don't really need them I think. You could just continue to use single Version of the map until you feel you are happy with it, after you finish tweaking it. Then produce these maps for differnt nations just by removing whatever sites and stuff you had put in to help the particualr nation. I may be wrong of course since I am speaking from general logic point of view without any experince with Dom2 mapmaking. If so - I appologize.

But in any case- it's your call of course.

If you are done with it - could you tell me if it did help AIs more than it did human player? If it did, I would like to try it.

Peter Ebbesen · #7 March 30th, 2004, 08:04 AM

Officially, I never finish tweaking any of my projects, Stormbinder

That said, I surely hope that I receive feedback from those of you who play the map, in order that I can improve it. I strive for some sort of balance in the starting positions, as I will want to play it in MP one of these days, but it is obviously impossible to test the relative strengths of the VERY different setups fully with just one player.

As such, is any nation too weak? Any nation too strong? Is there some site that one of the nations just needs to have to give it that little extra tweak, for fun or for profit? Does some sites need to be removed?

As for you, Stormbinder, I suggest you play around with it a bit [as non-Ermor] with 16 impossible AIs and then, after a game or two, you tell me whether you want a Version where the advantages are removed for the country you play.