Anyone who think they can win against this army?

[ywl]

Originally posted by DLC:
the spell "storm" removes everyones flying ability except storm demons, wrathful skies works wonders on manikin or mandragoras i'd think, those storm demons have perfect accurancy due to aim +5 and the storm not affecting their aim. 5x10 shots of lightning + whatever spells the vanadrott casts.

this is just a simple unit with 5 relatively cheap units with the cost of just

3 water gems(jade armor isn't necessary)
3 fire gems(fire ring only needed if you fight fire)
36 air gems
35 bloodslaves
20 earth gems(one time cost)
3 earthg gems(jade armor)

con 6
alt 6
blood magic 4
alt 1
conj 1

380 + 180(one time cost) gold.

i could remove the winged helmet and remove 15 air gems(-25%, dwarf hammer in this case) and make him cast storm power first then wrathful skies just, wouldn't make all that difference.

that's not all that expensive for an army that can kill anything not specificly made to kill it and it doesn't need supplies cept air gems which it could get by wearing a flying armor(not counting caelum,ry'leh pesky summons, mech men/dragons/stormdemons and air mages with gems).

now this unit and his army is just a byproduct, i dont have to invest anything on my pretender or domain to create this unit whatsover(cept some way to get decent income), i may need a tiny bit of luck to get a random 4 in air and a dwarf with water as a random pick to make the jade armor but it isn't necessary, course i can only make Vanadrotts in my capital which is the only drawback.

Thanks for the analysis but it's all well-known.

That's why Caelum was always one of the favorite of Dom 1. And that's also why people thought Air was a must-have in that Last Version.

Better yet, in Dom 1, you can't even fire missle in Storm. Now, your precision only suffers a penalty around -5 - easily compensate by a "Wind Guide". So, even though he might suffer from a considerable loss, an player could possibly counter your army with a large number of longbows.

This combo is still regarded as powerful in Dom 2 but I haven't heard anybody complaining about being imbalance yet. Are you trying to suggest that?

[Kel]

Welp, some of us don't know all the combos from Dom1

Personally, I find threads like these useful, both in the presentation of the original combo, the reasoning behind it and the counters to it, though it might have been better suited as an addition to that "Expanding Tome of Knowledge" thread.

- Kel

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Kel:
[QB]Personally, I find threads like these useful, both in the presentation of the original combo, the reasoning behind it and the counters to it, though it might have been better suited as an addition to that "Expanding Tome of Knowledge" thread.

Well, it's really not much more than the wrathful skies+storm combo that's already mentioned there.

[Kel]

[quote]Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

Well, it's really not much more than the wrathful skies+storm combo that's already mentioned there.

True, though I like the mention of counters and the analysis...so maybe it was best off in its own thread after all

- Kel

[DLC]

i thought it was a bit too good, since i want a strategy to counter it with my favourite race abysia.

it's the staff of storms that i think is owerpowered, it ruins fire magic not to mention the already hard time you have when you want to cast strong fire spells like firestorm, heat from hell and that other one whatiscalled.

Wrathful skies is a bit too cheap in fatigue cost also only 3 air and 2 gems compared to 5 fire that fire requires for firestorm, not to mention the comparable low fatigue cost and research cost difference.


I wanted a to see what a good counter vs ermor & my own abysia(my favourite nation) strategies was and this was it, which apparently is wellknown .

[PvK]

The Air-1 mage casting Thunder Ward with two gems (mentioned before by Graeme Dice) seems like an obvious and simple antidote. Then just send in the melee. No?

PvK

[Wendigo]

A couple seeking arrows & the end result is most likely a dead Vanadrott.

Cost of the counter: 8 gems, + 20 gold for the scout that walks in to rout the demons once the mage is dead.

[ March 17, 2004, 20:53: Message edited by: Wendigo ]