Vampire Queens and Sneaking Armies

[Minrhael]

ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, then change movement order to move and patrol.

Nope, this does not work, just went and quadruple-checked. With 2 armies, one a monk leading 10 daoine sidhe and one and sidhe champion leading 24 sidhe moving between 2 adjacent provinces that I control.

In both cases if I originally sneak, then re-click to change I get choices of: defend province, patrol province (which patrols current in both cases), move, search, preach, blood hunt, construct, pillage, cancel. If I originally ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, I get the exact same choices except move is replaced by sneak in the list.

It seems there's something missing as I can think of no logical reason why they wouldn't be able to move&patrol like every regular army.

[Slygar]

I agree. The VQ needs to be more expensive, or something. Compare her to the Bog Mummy and Master Lich (or whichever lich is more expensive..) and it's pretty obvious that she just totally overpowers them. Since most of her abilities are pretty thematic, I would rather see more expensive paths and an increased cost than an actual nerf of the unit.

Maybe she could be restricted to only blood nations, such as Abysia and Mictlan - but not Ermor, since they aren't exactly blood focused But one way or the other, a Pretender with so many obvious advantages (from immortality, regen, etherealness, stealth, decent path cost, immortal vampire groupies, etc) should also be the most expensive.

[archaeolept]

Originally posted by Arralen:
.. play with indies=7 or better even 9. Bet you won't get far with your VQ ...
A naked VQ with fire-4-shield kills 5..15 milita per combat. That won't make 60+ troops root 4 in 5 times. To make things more interesting, use difficult or extremly difficult research.

*cough*

a fire 4 shield? well, sure, if you're not even trying. W/ Alt 3 Enchant 1 a cheap VQ can destroy pretty well anything on the planet w/out breaking a sweat.

[Yossar]

Originally posted by Minrhael:

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ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, then change movement order to move and patrol.

Nope, this does not work, just went and quadruple-checked. With 2 armies, one a monk leading 10 daoine sidhe and one and sidhe champion leading 24 sidhe moving between 2 adjacent provinces that I control.

In both cases if I originally sneak, then re-click to change I get choices of: defend province, patrol province (which patrols current in both cases), move, search, preach, blood hunt, construct, pillage, cancel. If I originally ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, I get the exact same choices except move is replaced by sneak in the list.

It seems there's something missing as I can think of no logical reason why they wouldn't be able to move&patrol like every regular army.

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For any unit to move and patrol you have to be going into a castle. You are aware of that, right?

[Taqwus]

If you want to restrict access to her, Black Forest Ulm strikes me as the most thematically reasonable beneficiary.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Arralen:
.. play with indies=7 or better even 9. Bet you won't get far with your VQ ...

If you don't then you aren't scripting her right, and haven't given her the right paths.

A naked VQ with fire-4-shield kills 5..15 milita per combat. That won't make 60+ troops root 4 in 5 times.

All you need to make her essentially invulnerable to normal troops is water 2, and 20 protection. Just cast quickness, breath of winter, attack and watch the troops die. Add a stoneskin if you put earth magic on her. The VQ has almost every modifier that you need on a SC, so she doesn't need mch equipment to make her truly fearsome.

[Firebreath]

Bah, vq's suck. Mine got decked (along with about 200 ulmish infantry) 4 times in a row by a group of 5 random invading heroes, including a troll on his own at the end, vs 120 black plate elites, 5-6 smiths and the vq pumped up with equipment each time (although no spells, to support an ulm-friendly dominion).

Normally though, she's vulnerable to all sorts of spells and enchanted items...