Suggestions to improve the Water Magic discipline

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Jondifool:
something like changing the whole battlefield to a muddy place, where heavy inf is severly punished. But thats maybe to similar to other spells. A ritual improving the use for LIs was maybe a neat option. I tend to think of water magic as defensive and as such I think of something making defense of a provinse a little more poverfull or giving some good skirmish powers
well thats pretty vaque but someone might want to comment on it anyway

Hmmm. Maybe a spell that muddies the entire battlefield. Light Infantry (and militia, etc) aren't affected, but HI and Cavalry, any high armor units, take penalties. -2 to Defense, -2 to protection for anything over, say, 8 armor protection? No effect on flyers, maybe no effect on units with Swamp survival.

This would reflect military history in the effects - cavalry ruled the battlefield, armored foot also did quite well. But in rainy, muddy conditions, the unarmored opponents were able to overcome. Horses slip in the mud, everyone does - but the LI and skirmishers were able to get up quicker and stick sharp pointy objects through the chinks in the armor.

Then again - this doesn't actually fix water, nor does it fix LI - it only helps make things not-so-bad if you have both.

[ April 21, 2004, 17:29: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

[Vicious Love]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Then again - this doesn't actually fix water, nor does it fix LI - it only helps make things not-so-bad if you have both.

Agreed. Nonetheless, I second it. Furthermore, I recommend penalties be based on encumbrance, not armor. Good armor is one thing, heavy armor is... usually the same thing. Usually. I'm wondering whether base encumbrance should also be factored in. I'm inclined to say "yes", since bird boned Caelians and purely hypothetical hypermetabolic skaven can't handle their mud nearly as well as humans.
Let's not dwell on this too long, though, no need to hijack a water mojo thread with our LI propaganda.

[Baalz]

How about a water battlefield enchantment (or global?) to reduce everyone's attack skill. In general this would make battles Last longer and thus let the encumberance advantage of LI be worth more. Of course, it would also accentuate the advantage of elite units...

Water should have some more good climate changing effects like Wolven Winter. I like the idea of a Very Powerful item which shifts the scale of a province to cold. It fits the theme and is similar to some other items. How about a Drout spell that shifts a province towards death? A combination of multiple Wolven Winters and Drouts would be a worthy gem sink in a lot of situations...

[Vicious Love]

Only have 2 metric minutes to post, so I'll be brief.
How about an alteration combat spell, in 3 possible variants(Single target, large area, and Inner Sun style death curse) which can only be cast/triggered underwater, and renders the target/s aquatic? Amphibians, poor amphibians, water mages and their retinues, anyone who fails to resist would be incapable of leaving the ocean without an amulet of the fish. Stylish, appropriate, and only rasies 1 question, that of whether poor amphibians would retain their penalties for fighting underwater.
A similar spell with slightly different style could simply afflict target water mages/amphibians/aquatic units with the mermen's curse, meaning they'd have to return to water every so often, amulets of the fish nonwithstanding. If this spell had a small area effect(Meant to be used on commanders) but could be used on land based units ordinarily incapable of entering the sea, that might serve to complicate things nicely.
I actually got the idea for this curse when toying with a nature battlefield enchantment, "Circe's Caprice". Irreversible, insanely random(And affected by fortune scale) mix of Polymorph, Transformation and Cross Breeding, which affects both sides in any given battle(Including the caster, but that's what mage MR is for. Besides, the effects aren't necessarily negative). If we start grasping at straws, I can see how a, shall we say, fish-based variant of that might work, though I imagine actually coding this sort of thing could be a major headache.
The second spell could also have a blood/nature or blood/earth counterpart which binds units/commanders to a particular province, a la hamadryads, certain vampire myths, and much, much more. Not that that's on topic, or anything, I just find it cool.

Time elapsed! See ya.

[Vicious Love]

Anyone here read Planetary?

Groinshatter
Water 1, Alteration 3, precision 100, range 10, fatigue cost 40, MR easily negates. Effects include 2 armor negating damage, paralysis, and immunity to succubi. If affected, the Lord of the Hunt and Lord of Fertility are completely destroyed.

[Vicious Love]

Cue a display of idle schlongery the likes of which has not been seen since the Athens of yore. Let's breathe some life into these fora.

[HotNifeThruButr]

Vicious Love is a scary man... a very scary man.

I think I figured out what water magic means . Most of their spells are geared towards defense because they're more effective in your home turf. Many water spells are underwater only, so forget about flexibility there. Others are heavily influenced by cold domains, so they're superb with the -heim races and Caelum, but less than mediocre for those battles away from home, where your faith doesn't prevail, or worse, in Abysian/Machakan territory. Raise your hand if you see the inherent flaw in this philosophy when applied to a game about WAR and EXPANSION?

What about a high level ritual that would give your units Amphibian (NOT poor amphibian) traits? I don't feel like putting any stats, but I guess it should be alteration, and for each gem you spend, you can make 3 size worth of units amphibian.

Another ritual for water might be "Healing Spring." It's a low levelled conjuration or alteration spell that creates a healing spring in a province. The spring gives everyone in the same province Recuperation.