Comparison of Knights

LDiCesare · #1 April 22nd, 2004, 01:01 AM

I'm not very experienced, but I don't like the red guards. (I don't like Tien Chi a lot).
Vans are powerful but their low protection means they are far easier to get rid of than the others with spells and arrows or bolts, against which defense doesn't help. They are still very powerful.

Yossar · #2 April 22nd, 2004, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by tinkthank:
1. Why is the K of the Chalice so expensive?

Because it's sacred, so should be better than the non sacred knights, and overall, it's better than the other two sacred knights. Better protection, str, and HP than the red guard and the Van doesn't get a lance.

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2. Does anyone else feel the Van to be the "winner" (for its price and availability)?

It doesn't get a lance so it's hard to even put it in the same class as a knight. That first strike of armor piercing damage can be really nice. But it's still a good unit.

All of the units have their pros and cons. I don't see any glaring problems with them, but maybe someone more experienced would.

Endoperez · #3 April 21st, 2004, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by tinkthank:

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Van Man Ulm Tien Marig

hp 13 14 15 10 14
prot 13 20 24 15 20
moral 12 15 15 15 15
MR 14 13 9 12 12
str 11 12 13 10 12
attk 12 12 12 12 13

Code-tags do wonders.

Although I don't understand why hp-column needs so many spaces...

I haven't tried Vanir with bless effects of DomII, but with something like Blood-6, Fire-6 of Dom:PPP they were quite good... They can't kill off heavily armored units, like the knights, but their high defence keeps them alive for quite a long time.

[ April 21, 2004, 13:20: Message edited by: Endoperez ]

reverend · #4 April 21st, 2004, 04:47 PM

Maybe I over-read it, but you didn't include the Black Knight in your analysis of the stats.

Black Knights are my favoured heavy cavalry. They have superior protection, HP and strength. Their weakness is their slow speed, but in combination with the overall slow Ulm army, it doesn't usually show. MR is an issue, and possibly low defense. They, however, do have the first-strike of the lance. Gold costs are the lowest of all heavy cavalry, but like all Ulm troops they need a lot of resources. Compared to (esp.) Van or Tien, this is a major drawback if you are in an area without many high-res provinces. The difference to Man and Marignon is negligible as the difference in gold is larger.

That said, I have worse experiences with all kinds of heavy cavalry than I had with Black Knights. Man heavy cavalry and Marignon specifically. I typically use a small group of Knights for expansion in the beginning, and while I always loose some with Man or Marignon, I have yet to loose Black Knights during that phase. Then again, that may be just the "Ulm heavy armor" factor against Independents.

[ April 21, 2004, 15:48: Message edited by: reverend ]

tinkthank · #5 April 21st, 2004, 04:57 PM

@reverend: sorry, I sort of excluded the BN because I think it's a no-contest vs. the other two "heavy" knight units as far as cost/usage goes. BNs cost less originally, but since they are not sacred you pay through the nose for upkeep. The KofA is also not sacred, but he is worth it IMO, and recuperation is just great. Also, the BN'S low MR makes them sitting ducks later in the game.

@endoperez: How did you format that please?

Gateway103 · #6 April 21st, 2004, 05:56 PM

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@endoperez: How did you format that please? [/QB]

I am not Endoperez, but I can help you with that.
Simply add the tags "code" and "/code" before and after, replacing quotation mark with square brackets, and type the info between as you would want it to appear.

To see an example, use QUOTE on Endoperez's post, and see how he formated the columns. It really is an easy yet useful tag ^_^

-Gateway103

tinkthank · #7 April 21st, 2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Endoperez:

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Originally posted by tinkthank:

code:

Van Man Ulm Tien Marig

hp 13 14 15 10 14
prot 13 20 24 15 20
moral 12 15 15 15 15
MR 14 13 9 12 12
str 11 12 13 10 12
attk 12 12 12 12 13

Code-tags do wonders. Although I don't understand why hp-column needs so many spaces...

Ah ok -- thanks much. I just type how he did it and it automatically takes the nice formatting of my wordpad? (I thought "code" stood for something I must then enter, like a long number or whatever.) Thanks!