Possible way out of the V.Q. Problem

[Cohen]

If you know you'll play another Nation, why not to do the pretender as weak as possible?
And perhaps you find yourself playing with a Nation you dislike, or you'ren't skilled in (especially for newbies) ...

I believe this is not realizable.

[Norfleet]

I recall Zen mentioned a switcheroo-style game.

The end result being that usually, the objective was to create the most perversely useless god combination possible, in hopes that you end up running the creation of someone less creative than you. I heard the blood-9 manticore was rather popular.

Besides, Zen says that there's no VQ problem, since VQs are clearly not optimal. It's not even really that hard to kill one, if you know what to do...and there's a lot of ways to do it.

[ May 03, 2004, 06:30: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Cohen]

Well, I take the less cost chassis, a Crone.
Assign all scale at -3.
Oks, I've about 1000 points to spend ...

Mmmm let's click on *ready* ...

Who want to play with this Crone?

[PvK]

If lots of people choose VQ, that just means lots of people think it's powerful and/or want to try it.

If a group of players really think it's too much and wish VQ's were weaker, it's a few lines of modding to tone her down somehow. In the thread suggesting such, I think we were leaning toward simply increasing her cost or her points required for new magic paths (and/or reducing her starting paths).

PvK

[Norfleet]

I see it as popular hysteria. People HEAR that the VQ is overpowered, usually because somebody loses his entire army to one and starts a *****fest on the forums. Everyone else sees, "I gotta get me one of these", and tries it. And indeed, it's very effective against anyone who has no clue how to counter, but once they meet somebody who knows how to counter it, and they don't know how to respond to it, they're going to walk away very disappointed with their no-magic VQ.

[Pocus]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
I recall Zen mentioned a switcheroo-style game.

Besides, Zen says that there's no VQ problem, since VQs are clearly not optimal. It's not even really that hard to kill one, if you know what to do...and there's a lot of ways to do it.

that its possible to kill reliably the VQ of an opponent doesnt means she is not unbalanced.

If I take a parallel, the German Atlantic Wall was a success. It costed far more for the allies compared to its costs (roughly 2 billions dollars) to the German. You have to take into consideration the direct cost of something, and the indirect cost too, and often the indirect cost is far more important to consider.

[Anglachel]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
I see it as popular hysteria. People HEAR that the VQ is overpowered, usually because somebody loses his entire army to one and starts a *****fest on the forums. Everyone else sees, "I gotta get me one of these", and tries it. And indeed, it's very effective against anyone who has no clue how to counter, but once they meet somebody who knows how to counter it, and they don't know how to respond to it, they're going to walk away very disappointed with their no-magic VQ.

Yep. I repressed a sigh this morning when I read yet another topic about the Vampire Queen and how to "fix" her. Would be nice if you guys that object to her would try and look for "in game" solutions to your problems with the Vampire Queen rather than "out of game"(i.e. NERF HER!) ones. You guys are like some puppy worrying a pooh cuddly. Just take a step back from the whole Vampire Queen thing and try to get some perspective. An "in game" solution would be more creative and fun to me than an "out of game" solution. If there were no "in game" solution to the Vampire Queen THEN she would need to be nerfed. From reading on this forum, this seem to NOT be the case though. Do a search and you will find Vampire Queen counter tactics galore. Anyway, this will be the first and Last time I post on this subject. Pretty tired of the perpetuation of it and don't want to add any more to it than this post.