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omg, all sorts of Posts in this thread are missing,  How are people to make sense of a complex multi-leveled argument if the historical record is wiped clean?  I've seen this happen before in forums; never w/ good results. 
 
Now, death threats, racial or sexual insults, and such, should be deleted, or, better, "bleeped".  but to cleanse the historical record during a debate is, well, I don't even know how to express the depths of my aVersion. 
  
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 I fooled around a bit with an 1150 -point rainbow wyrm. 300 hp and regen is fun. But you run out of fatigue in big fights and when machaka blinded it I had to use GoH... which can't be relied on in multiplay. And you cant put an elemental armor on it. But even a no-magic wyrm can probably beat a VQ early on. I'll test this... ok I tried it.. no magic-wyrm vs rainbow3 VQ. The wyrm's bite is not magical, the vq resists poison, and since lifedrain fatigues the victim the wyrm was soon passed out. The vq did not even get hit. Well the topic of other SCs made me bring him up. The wyrm can allow a quick entry into the water early in the game. And it can hold off knights while your shooters do some damage. For early expansion it can be a big boost. And if its a non-magical god then praying him back from the dead doesnt hurt him much. And he is an easy god for new players to use in their first few games. 
 
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		Wyrm could, in fact, have magical weapons, but as Astral Weapon is anastral spell it would be quite a risk... A new low.level spell giving mage and/or block of units magical weapons would be nice. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Giving immortality to SC-capable pretender probably wasn't such a hot idea. Giving it to the one with earthrealness, two resistances, inherant lifedrain, and flying is something that should probably be looked at. Sort of like when the developers made an immortal unit for Vanheim, they chose the boar and not the Van. Immortal Vans are not impossible to overcome, however, this does not make them a strong balance decision. 
  
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		Deleting other people's Posts? I didn't even think that was possible. 
 
Certainly seems like a bad move to me. There have been far more rude and offensive Posts in other threads. This Last one may have been inaccurate, but if it was really deleted, then ya, I agree it would stink big-time to have Posts deleted if they weren't totally out of place (as in, threats, curses, very hurtful words, illegal stuff). 
 
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		Did Gandalf really delete other people's Posts in this case? I'd be pretty shocked if he did, since I don't recall anything being really out of line.  
 
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