Play The World

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
He didn't cheat. If people were stupid enough to be giving him information, when they already had suspicions that it was him, that's as much their problem as his.

Of course he did cheat. Nobody was suspicious of him until late game. After that nobody was giving him any information or answering his questions. But by that time it was way too late, since he have crashed 2 out of 3 of his neigbors and they went AI.

I don't know why you are trying to distort the events and protect Norfleet Cainhill. Especially considering the fact that you were the only one who knew about Norfleet but didn't bother to tell us about than, instead accursing me of letting "Norfleet's ringer", as you put it, into our game. In any case please stop, I am not interested in arguing with you.


I encourage anyody who have any doubts about Norfleet's role in that game to fo to "Fire and Ice thread" and see for himself the true story, as well as all players reactions as the game was developing. Norfleet's (Pakhar's) words and actions speak for itself.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Tris:

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and honor, keeping my word, has always been more important to me than ethics.

Um...Keeping your word would be a form of ethics, wouldn't it?

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Nope. Ethics are generally a culturally agreed upon thing. Maybe an illustration :

If I swore I wouldn't reveal what someone was about to tell me, and they revealed that they were killing and eating children, honor would dictate that I kept their confidence, while ethics would insist that I told the authorities to save children.

Option 3, satisfying both my honor and my ethics : kill the SOB without telling anyone what he'd been doing.

Frankly, I didn't think that what Norfleet revealed to me warranted killing.

Besides which "honor" and the kind of behaviour that apparently went on in this sad episode are mutually exclusive.

Another person's possible lack of honor or scruples doesn't tarnish my honor. Only my actions or lack thereof can do so. I didn't give P/N any information; I didn't lie to anyone; I didn't whine and conspire and fling blatantly untrue accusations about.

On the other paw, I can see why some people wouldn't want to be in games involving Norfleet, or some of the other people involved in the game, to include myself.

[Stormbinder]

Cain, you seem to have strange agenda here, and I am not interested in continuing discussion. You said that you have noticed that somebody is "pissing in the pool" but choose not to tell anybody? Fine, that's your choice. You want to protect Norfleet? Fine.

As for homerules - they were clearly inperfect, as I admited myself, and you know it. But nevertheless, it was not me who said that Pakhar spoiled the game, violating it in spirit if not in letter. Go to the "Ice and Fire" game and re-read it if your memory is failing you. A lot of different people said the same thing before me, and I agree with them. One more time - stop distorting events please, this mess is ugly enough without your efforts. I will refrain from any future arguments with you.


As I said - everybody go to "Fire and Ice" game thread and see the truth for yourslef if you have any doubts. After you'll be finished reading it, you'll not have any doubts left on what was going on in that game.


The link is http://www.gonegold.com/ubb/ultimate...1;t=002168;p=3 (pages 3 and 4).

[Firebreath]

Could all people from that other game please go away and spam another forum

It does not matter that your arguments are self righteous, nor that you believe them to be true, nor, indeed, that others might believe them to be true - their place is not here.

Thankyou.

It seems that the best thing is now to restart. That those players who want to play join. But lets do this quickly, eh. No more beating about the bush, or waiting for laggards, or arguing about who's right when everyone's wrong except me

Oh, and finally. Just relax people. Believe or not as you will, but this is just a game

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
As for homerules - they were clearly inperfect, as I admited myself, and you know it. But nevertheless, it was not me who said that Pakhar spoiled the game, violating it in spirit if not in letter.

Not arguing that Pakhar / Norfleet helped spoil the game. That isn't the issue.

But I'm still waiting for you to explain the "home rules clearly designed to prevent Norfleet's style of play", which you just insisted today.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Firebreath:
Could all people from that other game please go away and spam another forum

Spam? Methinks you're confused about what spam is - perhaps you haven't been on the internet long enough.

But yeh - several of us who aren't even in the "Play the World" game have probably said more than enough, myself and Stormbinder first and foremost.

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Firebreath:
Could all people from that other game please go away and spam another forum

It does not matter that your arguments are self righteous, nor that you believe them to be true, nor, indeed, that others might believe them to be true - their place is not here.

Thankyou.

It seems that the best thing is now to restart. That those players who want to play join. But lets do this quickly, eh. No more beating about the bush, or waiting for laggards, or arguing about who's right when everyone's wrong except me

Oh, and finally. Just relax people. Believe or not as you will, but this is just a game

I agree.

My appologies to the players of your game, it was not my original intention to highjack the discussion. As you have witnessed yourself tt happened because Norfleet have publicly admitted here that he was Pakhar Njal all along and everything that he have been telling us in my Fire and Ice game was a lie. (I still can't believe he was stupid enough to did it and even brag here about it. )


Nevertheless, this was my Last post in your thread, I've said what I had to say.

Regards,
Stormbinder

[ May 24, 2004, 22:09: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]