Rate the SP AI...

Gandalf Parker · #1 May 10th, 2004, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kuroth1:
Hey... Cool So far we have the "Bell Shape Curve" going..... Throw out the highest vote and the lowest vote... Only 1 each so far....

Its interesting. Actually Im kindof surprised at the results. But whichever way it turns out we need to think of it as a poll "for entertainment only". The devs wills see the numbers best if no one intereprets them for them. They are interested.

HotNifeThruButr · #2 May 10th, 2004, 02:20 AM

I'm sure only newbies like me (I can only consistently beat Easy AI with easy races, still trying to overcome easy Ulm, Jotunheim, Arcosephale, Pythium, Machaka, Ermor, and the more outlandish races in Caelum, Atlantis and R'lyeh on easy) voted for the SP is enjoyable one.

Gandalf Parker · #3 May 10th, 2004, 02:28 AM

Well Im not a very good player, and I dont get to play as often as I want, but Im still finding it worthy. Im not continually beating all the AIs on maximum game settings (not just the AI setting but the other settings that affect AI also). And Im definetly not ready to take on maps with boosted AIs allied together against me.

Tris · #4 May 10th, 2004, 12:11 PM

The poll lacks the central "AI is ok, but no better than that" entry.

Actually, as human behaviour tends to select the median answer more often than would otherwise be indicated, the poll needs two more answers - a positively and a negatively slanted middle ground.

I would suggest "AI needs improvement, it does hurt my enjoyment of SP"

and "AI does the job quite well, but could be improved a lot"

for the negative and positive options.

proteus · #5 May 11th, 2004, 01:26 AM

Poll results so far:

The SP AI is some of the best I have ever seen in A PC game 1% (1)
The AI is good and the SP game is very fun to play 46% (34)
The AI is not very good and I dont play much SP because of it 26% (19)
This game has taken the "I" out of AI.... 27% (20)

Well, this result is not a surprise.

Quote:

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
I'm sure only newbies like me (I can only consistently beat Easy AI with easy races, still trying to overcome easy Ulm, Jotunheim, Arcosephale, Pythium, Machaka, Ermor, and the more outlandish races in Caelum, Atlantis and R'lyeh on easy) voted for the SP is enjoyable one.

Yup I think so too.

Still this isnt a real problem. I am pretty sure that if these AI problems will be fixed, even an experienced player will have hard time to beat the AI.

[ May 10, 2004, 12:30: Message edited by: proteus ]

proteus · #6 May 11th, 2004, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:

quote:
Originally posted by Kuroth1:
Hey... Cool So far we have the "Bell Shape Curve" going..... Throw out the highest vote and the lowest vote... Only 1 each so far....

Its interesting. Actually Im kindof surprised at the results. But whichever way it turns out we need to think of it as a poll "for entertainment only". The devs wills see the numbers best if no one intereprets them for them. They are interested.

Yup I agree, but polls are the best way to show the problems, our feelings etc. for the developers!
I wanted to make an exact poll like this one, but kuroth was faster!!

[ May 10, 2004, 12:33: Message edited by: proteus ]

tinkthank · #7 May 10th, 2004, 02:11 PM

No offense, but this poll is fairly odd.

Firstly, each of the four choices is broken down into categories which are purely normative (great, good, not very good, bad), which I suppose is fine enough, but to what are you going to compare purely normative categories? "Good" compared to what?

Secondly, some of the above-mentioned categories are paired with *additional* purely normative ones, namely: level of SP fun. These two options are compiled with the middle two voting options.
These additional categories suggest an implicit syllogism, which also happens to be flawed (the syllogism proposing a supposed causal connection between "fun" value of SP and normative worth of AI in question, the conclusion of which is that a game lacking extreme AI quality will also lack in extreme SP fun).

Judging AI in purely normative categories will get you nothing but subjectivism and a very good chance of inducing weird feelings in developers, should they read the results of these polls.
Additionally, I believe that "fun" and "quality of AI" are not necessarily causally interdependent, and hence I refrain from voting. Temporary conclusion of the foregoing.